The Ides of March...

Ross Dolan

Ross Dolan

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...on this date in history, in 44BC, the republicans in the Roman Senate killed Julius Caesar.

Worth a mention.

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Frank Apisa said:
...on this date in history, in 44BC, the republicans in the Roman Senate killed Julius Caesar.

Worth a mention.

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Just an FYI Frank....that's a statue of Octavian...Not Julius Caesar. Also they weren't "Republicans" in the sense that they were a political party. They were Republicans in that they desired to protect the Oligarchic structure of the Roman Republic Senatorial Class. Historians refer to them as the "Optimates" but that's actually an anachronism as organized political parties, as we know them today, did not exist at that time in history.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Just an FYI Frank....that's a statue of Octavian...Not Julius Caesar. Also they weren't "Republicans" in the sense that they were a political party. They were Republicans in that they desired to protect the Oligarchic structure of the Roman Republic Senatorial Class. Historians refer to them as the "Optimates" but that's actually an anachronism as organized political parties, as we know them today, did not exist at that time in history.
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YOU ARE WRONG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_of_Prima_Porta



why do you do this stupid shit Mott?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Just an FYI Frank....that's a statue of Octavian...Not Julius Caesar. Also they weren't "Republicans" in the sense that they were a political party. They were Republicans in that they desired to protect the Oligarchic structure of the Roman Republic Senatorial Class. Historians refer to them as the "Optimates" but that's actually an anachronism as organized political parties, as we know them today, did not exist at that time in history.
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Fuck...I screwed up with Augustus.

But they were republicans (small "r'). They wanted the republic to continue.

Augustus had other ideas...and his prevailed.
 
Augustus was born Gaius Octavius Thurinus into an old and wealthy equestrian branch of the plebeian gens Octavia. His maternal great-uncle Julius Caesar was assassinated in 44 BC, and Octavius was named in Caesar's will as his adopted son and heir.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Just an FYI Frank....that's a statue of Octavian...Not Julius Caesar. Also they weren't "Republicans" in the sense that they were a political party. They were Republicans in that they desired to protect the Oligarchic structure of the Roman Republic Senatorial Class. Historians refer to them as the "Optimates" but that's actually an anachronism as organized political parties, as we know them today, did not exist at that time in history.
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sorry Mott


I fucked it all up

sorry Im such a bitch some times
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Just an FYI Frank....that's a statue of Octavian...Not Julius Caesar. Also they weren't "Republicans" in the sense that they were a political party. They were Republicans in that they desired to protect the Oligarchic structure of the Roman Republic Senatorial Class. Historians refer to them as the "Optimates" but that's actually an anachronism as organized political parties, as we know them today, did not exist at that time in history.
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Frank's a dumbass that, gladly, suffers from Alzheimers. That means his time is short.
 
evince said:
you are correct


I have never studied this time in much detail

thank you for schooling me today

Julius was his father
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I've read dozens and dozens of books on ancient Rome...both fiction and non-fiction. It is my favorite history area.

Most of us of Italian heritage like to think we are descendants of Roman citizens...but it is just as likely we come from slaves.

Whatever!

Wouldn't it be great to be able to go back and see each ancestor...to see the successes and failures of those who came before us.
 
Frank Apisa said:
I've read dozens and dozens of books on ancient Rome...both fiction and non-fiction. It is my favorite history area.

Most of us of Italian heritage like to think we are descendants of Roman citizens...but it is just as likely we come from slaves.

Whatever!

Wouldn't it be great to be able to go back and see each ancestor...to see the successes and failures of those who came before us.
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it would


and your are right about its importance and impact on great thought



I am supposed to be of Irish blood

from the way of Vikings


might explain some of my marauding style

I have actually not studied much of that era either


sorry again Mott

sorry for Fucking up your thread with my stupid Frank

It is a good thread idea
 
evince said:
you are correct


I have never studied this time in much detail

thank you for schooling me today

Julius was his father
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Adopted father. Technically Octavian was Julius Caesars nephew by his elder sister but Caesar adopted him posthumously in his will after he was assassinated much to the complete consternation of Marcus Antonius who was, not without reason, expecting to be Caesars heir.
 
evince said:
Augustus was born Gaius Octavius Thurinus into an old and wealthy equestrian branch of the plebeian gens Octavia. His maternal great-uncle Julius Caesar was assassinated in 44 BC, and Octavius was named in Caesar's will as his adopted son and heir.
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Here's the shit kicker Desh....Octavian was only 19 years old when he took the political mantle of Caesars heir. In many respects he was a greater political genius (and Caesar must have been aware of his talent for politics) than Julius Caesar was, though not a universal genius like Caesar who was incredibly gifted at everything he put his hand too. Octavian was certainly not a great general but his political skill exceeded his legendary Uncle and probably the best evidence of that is that he died in bed of old age. Few Roman Emperors ever did that.
 
evince said:
you are correct


I have never studied this time in much detail

thank you for schooling me today

Julius was his father
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and you're still wrong. casesar was octavians great uncle, then he formally adopted him as his heir later in life
 
evince said:
sorry Mott


I fucked it all up

sorry Im such a bitch some times
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you're always a bitch.

what just happened today, happens literally everyday. You are always wrong, always an idiot. Every single hour, every single day. You becoming briefly conscious of your ineptitude is just a brief anomaly that are due to arise out of an set of events given enough time.
 
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