The Immigration Bill

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As you can see in the article below, this bill is attempting to raise the level of highly skilled and educated workers we let in. Now, they are going to have to find a balance here, because as Mort Zuckerman said on the Mclaughlin show, American business is very upset about the projected "shortage" of both highly skilled and low skill workers in the coming decades. Employers want both let in, and let in in mass numbers.

It was interesting to watch Buchanan and Zuckerman fight this out, in what was an impassioned fight, especially on Zuckerman's part as he fought passionately for his next billion. Zuckerman tried to claim that it was "absolute nonsense" that this was going to hurt the high-skilled and educated American worker. Buchanan said he was full of shit, that they wanted them in here from India so they could pay them 25 thousand. I did not find Zuckerman believable.

With the greedy sons of a bitches who will keep the working class at all levels in slavery if they can get away with it, and chortle while doing so on one side, and racists, nationalists and xenophobes on the other side, it is very difficult to make your way through this and really have a firm grip on the issue.

"The speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, expressed concern on Sunday about a central element of the bill, under which the government would establish a point system to evaluate would-be immigrants, giving more weight to job skills and education and less to family ties.

“I have serious objection to the point system that is in the bill now, but perhaps that can be improved,” said Ms. Pelosi, a California Democrat. She asserted that this part of the bill, ardently sought by the White House and Republican senators, could undermine “family unification principles which have been fundamental to American immigration.”

Besides revamping visa preferences, the bill would also offer legal status to most of the nation’s 12 million illegal immigrants and would increase the penalties for businesses that employ them.

In the last few years, employers have become a potent force in the debate on immigration, pleading with Congress to authorize more visas for both high- and low-skill workers.

Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, a bill co-author, said the point system was devised so America “can compete for the best minds that exist in the world"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/washington/21immig.html?hp=&pagewanted=print
 
The first sentence of the NY Times article says it all:


"WASHINGTON, May 20 — Employers, who helped shape a major immigration bill over the last three months, said on Sunday that they were unhappy with the result because it would not cure the severe labor shortages they foresee in the coming decade."


What do "labor shortages" mean? Increased wages and benefits.

Of course, to big business, this is largely about union-busting and keeping wages low.

That's simplistic, of course. It's more complicated than that. As I've stated in other threads.
 
Cypress said:
The first sentence of the NY Times article says it all:


"WASHINGTON, May 20 — Employers, who helped shape a major immigration bill over the last three months, said on Sunday that they were unhappy with the result because it would not cure the severe labor shortages they foresee in the coming decade."


What do "labor shortages" mean? Increased wages and benefits.

Of course, to big business, this is largely about union-busting and keeping wages low.

That's simplistic, of course. It's more complicated than that. As I've stated in other threads.
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For the low-wage workers yes. For the highly skilled workers, if we are facing this "coming shortage" why not put money into education? Think about it, if you are a large company you can offer tuition reimbursement to your employees and encourage them to become skilled in the areas you need workers in. (High tech it seems).

Have we really become so depraved as a society that rather than do that, we are going to ship in as many high skilled workers as we can so that we can pay them, not 100k, but maybe 30k?
 
Darla said:
For the low-wage workers yes. For the highly skilled workers, if we are facing this "coming shortage" why not put money into education? Think about it, if you are a large company you can offer tuition reimbursement to your employees and encourage them to become skilled in the areas you need workers in. (High tech it seems).

Have we really become so depraved as a society that rather than do that, we are going to ship in as many high skilled workers as we can so that we can pay them, not 100k, but maybe 30k?
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You know, you're thinking pragmatically and deliberatively. That's your first mistake. ;)


Do you think this country will ever offer free college (or highly subsidized) education or technical training to americans? I think not. But, as you suggest, that may be the most pragmatic solution.


I actually don't think this is about deliberation and pragmatism however. Big business wants to import more low-skill, and high-skill labor to keep wage pressures down, and to bust unions. IMO.
 
Cypress said:
You know, you're thinking pragmatically and deliberatively. That's your first mistake. ;)


Do you think this country will ever offer free college (or highly subsidized) education or technical training to americans? I think not. But, as you suggest, that may be the most pragmatic solution.


I actually don't think this is about deliberation and pragmatism however. Big business wants to import more low-skill, and high-skill labor to keep wage pressures down, and to bust unions. IMO.
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I know.

No, I don't think we would ever offer that, but if we ever did, we would have a much stronger middle class than we do now. We could have so much better in this country, it really upsets me. Idiots. And there are joe blows who will actually line up to argue against this, because it's "socialism". Those are the kind who deserve to be eating the dog food they'll be eating ten years from now, I'll tell you.
 
Darla, don't be so sure that those labelled as "racists", "nationalists" and "xenophobes", aren't your only allies in this matter. Those are just nasty jew invented terms created to stop americans from protecting americans from the ravages of fascistic globalism.
 
don't be so sure about the no free college.
Louisiana offers free college for average and above students to state schools tuition free.
That was funded by a private endowment though.:clink:
 
Topspin said:
don't be so sure about the no free college.
Louisiana offers free college for average and above students to state schools tuition free.
That was funded by a private endowment though.:clink:
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You know, we have a severe shortage of nurses in this country.

The easiest thing to do, would be to waive all tuition and fees for people who want to go to school for a nursing degree.

You know what we're doing instead? We're giving work visas and green cards to nurses from africa and southeast asia to come over here.

And you know what? These green card nurses are likely to work for less wages, and not join unions. Coincidence? I think not.
 
Cypress said:
You know, we have a severe shortage of nurses in this country.

The easiest thing to do, would be to waive all tuition and fees for people who want to go to school for a nursing degree.

You know what we're doing instead? We're giving work visas and green cards to nurses from africa and southeast asia to come over here.

And you know what? These green card nurses are likely to work for less wages, and not join unions. Coincidence? I think not.
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Bottom line, the globalist antiamericans want america to filled with people unfamiliar with our standard of living, those just happy for some crumbs. They are planning to drive our standard of living even lower. And anyone who tries to stop it will be labelled an enemy of the state.
 
As I have said for years and been ridiculed by some for it (you ?).
golobalization also means averaging of lifestyles in a global manner. Poor nations lifestyles will rise and rich ones will drop.
It is inevitable with free globalized trade and multinational corporations.
 
only dumbasses who haven't had college economics or run a business think that. You two are leaders of that pack.
Most educated people will get very rich as your two cry on the sidelines.
 
The amount of money in the world is not a zero sum game, but not too nearly distant from a zero sum game. Where does all the money going into China come from Spin ?
 
Topspin said:
only dumbasses who haven't had college economics or run a business think that. You two are leaders of that pack.
Most educated people will get very rich as your two cry on the sidelines.
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College is the indoctrination center for the military industrial complex. Globalism is the removal of business from an overarching moral and national context. It's not merely, "good business".
 
It is the way those in power want business ran, which limits the view of those with conventional education a bit....

Once us non MBA types realize how the trained ones are playing the game it is easy to shoot around them and make big bucks. They all play in harmony, in confusion there is opportunity for profit. This also means that those who play the game by the rules won't see the crash coming.
 
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Cypress said:
You know, you're thinking pragmatically and deliberatively. That's your first mistake. ;)


Do you think this country will ever offer free college (or highly subsidized) education or technical training to americans? I think not. But, as you suggest, that may be the most pragmatic solution.


I actually don't think this is about deliberation and pragmatism however. Big business wants to import more low-skill, and high-skill labor to keep wage pressures down, and to bust unions. IMO.
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To people in the (Silicon) Valley unions have nothing to do with it. It's about getting enough qualified people to do highly skilled jobs. And they also do not bring them over here and underpay them. Those people get paid!

As far as unions isn't there private sector membership close to or under 10% these days? (Private sector) Unions seem to be doing enough to bust themselves.
 
wow the two assclowns continue to post priceless comedy.
You two could do a standup routine, the amount of business knowledge puts you right up their with Larry the cable guy.
 
Then our routine is valuable then ? Great!


I have a very good bottom line though Spin :) Isn't that what really matters ?
btw my market playing is still running around 100% for the year so far. How has your Chevron Stock done for the year ?
 
chevron has done very well, I just sold $400,000 worth and it went up $2 more.
I'm glad your a millionaire just two years after whining about medical bills and having a net worth under $100,000 your ex must have been a true anchor for you.
Don't understand the anti corp/investment slant when you've done in one year what most take 20 to do.
 
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