The Koch brother boogey men...

Superfreak said:
The Koch brothers had nothing to do with the law she said they supported. Nothing. She lied.
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On Friday night, Rachel Maddow delivered a blistering reply to a letter from attorneys representing billionaire conservatives Charles and David Koch. While she has always been willing to make corrections on the show, she said, the Kochs’ current quibble is about a matter of actual verifiable fact and as such needs no correction.

“You know, you never like to get stuff wrong,” she said, “but it does happen from time to time and when we get stuff wrong on this show, I try to make sure that we correct it. We don’t mind making corrections. That said, don’t push it.”

A recent story about the Koch brothers’ financing of a national network of right-wing pressure groups is factually true, in spite of the Kochs’ ire at being mentioned unfavorably in the media.

“We cover the Conservative movement a lot on this show,” she said, “and in so doing we occasionally find people who have been mentioned in our coverage who are absolutely outraged that they have been mentioned in our coverage.”

“And the Conservative political figures who you can most count on to threaten to sue you and call your boss and scream about their victimization as loud as they can whenever they get mentioned by name in a way they do not control are of course, the Koch brothers,” she said.

The Koch attorneys went so far as to send a script for Maddow to read on the air, which she flatly refused to do.

“The Koch brothers’ letter to us includes a script that they want me to read to you on the air denouncing my own reporting on the Florida “Drug Test the Poor” story and telling you that they are not involved in promoting any such issue,” she continued.

“I’m not going to read their script. I’m not going to renounce my own reporting on this story because the reporting on this story stands,” said Maddow.

“We will not stop reporting on the political actions and the consequences of the political actions of rich and powerful men even if they send angry letters every time we do it,” she vowed. “I will not read scripts provided to me by anyone else. I do not play requests. I will happily make corrections when I do get things wrong. We do it on this show all the time. But I will not renounce or retract reporting that is true even if the subjects of that reporting don’t like it.”
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I'll take her investigations over the Koch Brothers "credibility" anyday.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/04/1267111/-Rachel-Maddow-Speaks-Truth-to-Powerful-Koch-Brothers


Before introducing her guest for the segment, Rachel went through her usual detailed explanation of what had happened in the case. And as she is known to do, Rachel took it a step further, and explained how the failed law in Florida had been peddled to other states by conservative groups funded by the Koch brothers. The segment concluded with Rachel interviewing Howard Simon, the Executive Director of the ACLU of Florida, to discuss the lawsuit. At the end Rachel said goodnight to Mr. Simon, he said his farewell, and as she was starting to say what I've quoted next, you could hear Mr. Simon yell off camera, "There is an error. Hello?"

I should tell you that we received a response from a representative of the Koch brothers tonight. When we called to ask them about their thoughts on drug testing welfare recipients since this group affiliated with them in Florida has been promoting that along side their promotion of more high profile issues like telling people not to get health insurance, the spokesperson for the Koch brothers who we reached tonight told us this on the subject, quote Not sure I see how we would have anything to say on this, since we are not involved in this issue in any way [Robert Tappan, Director, External Relations, Koch Companies Public Sector]. There you have it.

Fast forward to Friday night's show, and we learn that the Koch brothers have contacted the show about what was said about them on the previous night's show. Of course we had to wait until the last segment to find out what happened, but oh was it worth the wait. As ericlewis0 put it, Rachel Maddow Thoroughly Nails the Koch Bros. Follow me below the orange curlycue for the juicy details.
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Koch brothers are just now understanding the awakening of the left wing in this nation. And they are scared.
 
Sammi said:
How did she lie? Please expand on this mantra of yours with evidence of the goodness of the Koch brothers and their innocence.
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Try reading the information that has been posted. The emails between the two groups are in the first post of mine. The fact that she lied is obvious.

In short:

1) The Koch brothers gave $40k to the State policy Network
2) The FFGA is a member of that network
3) FFGA pays dues to SPN, SPN does not give any money to its members

Maddow stated FFGA was a Koch brothers affiliate group. They have NO affiliation.

Also, had you bothered to read the info provided you would find that Comcast ALSO donated to the SPN. Comcast owns MSNBC. So by Maddows 'affiliation' standard you could also say FFGA is a MSNBC affiliated group. Which is idiocy.
 
Rana said:
Time will tell who is lying on this one.
Although Maddow plays to her audience, the Koch brothers aren't trustworthy either!

They use propaganda to promote their agenda and play to their audience as well and they buy politicians like Cruz to do their dirty work!
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LMAO... 'time will tell'... uh no... there is NO evidence at all. None. She blatantly LIED. Amazing how many liberals are pretending otherwise.
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO... 'time will tell'... uh no... there is NO evidence at all. None. She blatantly LIED. Amazing how many liberals are pretending otherwise.
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You believe the Koch Brothers, sorry, I don't. There may be more to this than meets the eye.
 
Rana said:
Time will tell who is lying on this one.
Although Maddow plays to her audience, the Koch brothers aren't trustworthy either!

They use propaganda to promote their agenda and play to their audience as well and they buy politicians like Cruz to do their dirty work!
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Time will tell? From the Powerline article the Koch Brothers have the same connection to that policy group that MSNBC does. Maddow could have said 'MSNBC backed group supports drug testing Florida welfare recipients'. How much play is that going to get with her audience? Instead she throws out the Koch Brothers and then she gets her audiences blood flow going.
 
Superfreak said:
Try reading the information that has been posted. The emails between the two groups are in the first post of mine. The fact that she lied is obvious.

In short:

1) The Koch brothers gave $40k to the State policy Network
2) The FFGA is a member of that network
3) FFGA pays dues to SPN, SPN does not give any money to its members

Maddow stated FFGA was a Koch brothers affiliate group. They have NO affiliation.

Also, had you bothered to read the info provided you would find that Comcast ALSO donated to the SPN. Comcast owns MSNBC. So by Maddows 'affiliation' standard you could also say FFGA is a MSNBC affiliated group. Which is idiocy.
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http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/3959:koch-brothers-alec-and-cocacola-a-classic-collaboration

In 2009, when soda taxes were front page news with some frequency, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) approved "A Resolution in Opposition to Discriminatory Food and Beverage Taxes" (pdf). This fill-in-the-blank resolution is couched in pro-worker language, concluding that (fill-in-the-blank State) "fully supports hardworking Americans, and opposes all efforts -- federally and on the state level -- to impose discriminatory taxes on food and/or beverages."

When ALEC and its deep-pocketed corporate members like Coke cry "discrimination" and claim to support "hardworking Americans," consumers should take a closer look at Coke's legislative and marketing agenda.

It is hard to imagine why a name-brand corporation like Coke wants to associate itself with the far-right policies of ALEC, such as ALEC's voter suppression bills which disenfranchise college students in states like Wisconsin, ALEC efforts to privatize Medicare and Social Security and ALEC's immigrant bashing policies.
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They own and fund ALEC. Know the organization?

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/26/drug-testing-of-welfare-applicants-violates-constitution/

Today, a three-judge panel of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals voted unanimously to bar the state of Florida from forcing welfare applicants to undergo drug testing.

As the judges found:

“… the State failed to offer any factual support or to present any empirical evidence of a “concrete danger” of illegal drug use within Florida’s TANF population. The evidence in this record does not suggest that the population of TANF recipients engages in illegal drug use or that they misappropriate government funds for drugs at the expense of their own and their children’s basic subsistence. The State has presented no evidence that simply because an applicant for TANF benefits is having financial problems, he is also drug-addicted or prone to fraudulent and neglectful behavior.”

Exactly right. The state failed to offer “any factual support or to present any empirical evidence,” because no such evidence exists. As the judges went on to note, “there is nothing inherent to the condition of being impoverished that supports the conclusion that there is a “concrete danger” that impoverished individuals are prone to drug use.”

Nothing, that is, except deeply cherished stereotypes and a penchant for bashing poor people.

The bill creating the mandatory drug-testing provision comes out of the conservative American Legislative Exchange Council, or ALEC. Last year, the Georgia General Assembly passed a similar bill, which Gov. Nathan Deal signed even though the Florida law had already been suspended by a federal district court judge. In fact, the Georgia law was so blatantly unconstitutional — and such a clear case of showboating and scapegoating — that Deal himself “suspended” its enforcement until the courts could rule on the matter.
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Maddow researches...something EVERY American should do.
 
Sammi said:
I'll take her investigations over the Koch Brothers "credibility" anyday.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...Maddow-Speaks-Truth-to-Powerful-Koch-Brothers

Koch brothers are just now understanding the awakening of the left wing in this nation. And they are scared.
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Ms. Maddow moved on to a discussion of a 2011 Florida welfare law and a Florida federal court ruling concerning that law, falsely stating that the “Koch brothers . . . have been promoting forced drug tests for people on welfare.” Ms. Maddow based this false statement on her claim that the Florida Foundation for Government Accountability (“FFGA”) was involved in the legislation. This was a knowingly false and malicious statement by Ms. Maddow – Koch is not involved in promoting any such issue and we are not working with the FFGA on any such issue, as we explained to you last night. Indeed, your email from last night shows that you knew Koch had no link to the FFGA or this issue since you stated that Koch “donated to the State Policy Network of which FGGA is a member.” Nevertheless, Ms. Maddow repeatedly and falsely referred to FFGA as a “Koch brothers affiliated group,” a “Koch brothers connected Florida group,” a “Koch brothers related group,” and “this group (FFGA) affiliated with them (Koch) in Florida.”
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yeah... she lied... and you liberals eat it up.
 
cawacko said:
Time will tell? From the Powerline article the Koch Brothers have the same connection to that policy group that MSNBC does. Maddow could have said 'MSNBC backed group supports drug testing Florida welfare recipients'. How much play is that going to get with her audience? Instead she throws out the Koch Brothers and then she gets her audiences blood flow going.
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No she investigates and reports the truth.
 
Superfreak said:
Keep laughing, you are displaying what a dishonest piece of shit you are to the board... not that anyone doubted that
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I'm dishonest because I'm laughing at you as you get your knickers in a twist over a rather mundane disagreement between a liberal television pundit and a conservative group? OK. I think its really funny that you are so outraged and emotionally invested in this little squabble. Like, really really funny.
 
cawacko said:
Time will tell? From the Powerline article the Koch Brothers have the same connection to that policy group that MSNBC does. Maddow could have said 'MSNBC backed group supports drug testing Florida welfare recipients'. How much play is that going to get with her audience? Instead she throws out the Koch Brothers and then she gets her audiences blood flow going.
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You'd have a really really good point here if that was the only group to which the Kochs have a connection. But, it's not. So, it isn't.
 
Sammi said:
No she investigates and reports the truth.
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aeprga said:
You'd have a really really good point here if that was the only group to which the Kochs have a connection. But, it's not. So, it isn't.
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LMAO... so the group she SAYS is affiliated with the Kochs, ISN'T... but somehow that LIE is ok with you... understood... it is ok with Dung for liberals to lie to the American people.
 
Sammi said:
Just proved otherwise...it's why liberals like Maddow and wait for the recant on FOX...
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No, you saying they own and fund ALEC in no way proves your point.

It also does not excuse the blatant lie she stated. In no way is FFGA a 'Koch affiliate'. NONE.
 
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