The Language of God

So fucking stupid. Someone walking by and bumping the ball isn't a reason WHY, it's the HOW.

You yourself drew the distinction between these two words when you said Hawking can explain HOW the universe came into being but not WHY. Now you are attempting to muddy the language and conflate the two.

There isn't a WHY unless the person threw the ball onto your foot. That gives it a reason and purpose. The ball falling by happenstance doesn't need a reason or purpose to hit your toe. Logic doesn't make the striking of your toe by accident improbable or illogical either.

You don't even know what point you're trying to make. At this point you're resorting to the tactic of trying to confuse words together to spin away from something you said. You clearly said how and why were two different answers. Now you are trying to say they are one in the same.

That means you know you've fucked up.

I think you should go back a few pages and re-read the thread. I'm not conflating anything. The HOW is Gravity, that is HOW the ball got to your foot. WHY is what caused the ball to go into motion. WHO is on FIRST!

The point is, a bowling ball doesn't just arbitrarily move by itself. Happenstance is not an explanation of WHY! It is actually a COP OUT! It is saying, I don't know WHY and I don't care to find out!

If something happens, there is always a reason. Feel free to quote me on that!
 
Logic is a branch of philosophy. Science, math, and philosophy are not branches of logic.

I can't believe you are actually arguing the validity of Logic because it is not a branch of science. Okay Waterhead..... let's examine our fucking universe without ever using logic or reasoning again! It's obviously inferior to science and math, and we should just discard such silly trivial things... philosophy...pft!

LOL ...you are a piece of work, waterhead baby!
 
You're doing exactly what I said you were doing, cept even more brazenly now. First you are arguing that the universe has to have a purpose. Now you're on a string of thought trying to claim that the universe must have been set into motion by some sort of cause.

Wow, that's a huge insight. Something happened to create the universe. CONTROVERSY!

No, the controversy, as you well know, is that you claimed that the universe not only has a cause (which can be explained by Hawking) but has a purpose (the "why" question you said Hawking cannot answer).

The simple fact is there is no "why." Even with your retarded bowling ball analogy, the person bumping the ball is a reaction of chemical processes that stimulate electrical impulses that move a muscle that apply force to the ball which reacts with an equal and opposite force and moves overcoming the µ of friction on the table, then aided downward by the force of gravity. It's all HOW until you start to claim there was a purpose for it. The ball rolling onto your foot will never be evidence of intention or purposeful action.

To restate: you are now changing your argument, which I will accept as tacit admission of your failure to back up your claim that logic demands purpose for the universe's existence. You went from claiming that we can only explain how the universe was created and logic means there also must be a why to saying that SOMETHING precipitated the beginning of the universe (which nobody disagrees with -- even Hawking).

How many logical fallacies have we counted in Dixie's posts, children?
 
I can't believe you are actually arguing the validity of Logic because it is not a branch of science. Okay Waterhead..... let's examine our fucking universe without ever using logic or reasoning again! It's obviously inferior to science and math, and we should just discard such silly trivial things... philosophy...pft!

LOL ...you are a piece of work, waterhead baby!

Uhmmm... what?
 
That was not honestly my point. You just do no seem to understand what logic is. It's not the all-encompassing personification of everything that's rational. It deals with making LOGICAL arguments. Newton's third law of motion IS NOT LOGIC. IT IS PHYSICS.


And you have been making arguments all throughout this thread that are LOGICALLY FALLACIOUS, and justifying them by saying that's HOW LOGIC SEES IT.
 
That was not honestly my point. You just do no seem to understand what logic is. It's not the all-encompassing personification of everything that's rational. It deals with making LOGICAL arguments. Newton's third law of motion IS NOT LOGIC. IT IS PHYSICS.


And you have been making arguments all throughout this thread that are LOGICALLY FALLACIOUS, and justifying them by saying that's HOW LOGIC SEES IT.

Dixie just watched Star Trek and thinks he is Mr. Spock :D
 
That was not honestly my point. You just do no seem to understand what logic is. It's not the all-encompassing personification of everything that's rational. It deals with making LOGICAL arguments. Newton's third law of motion IS NOT LOGIC. IT IS PHYSICS.


And you have been making arguments all throughout this thread that are LOGICALLY FALLACIOUS, and justifying them by saying that's HOW LOGIC SEES IT.

No, it's you who has demonstrated a lack of knowledge and understanding about what "logic" is. I never claimed it was the "all-encompassing personification of everything that's rational" those are your words. Throughout this thread, this is what you have pulled... you take things I say out of context, reinterpret them to mean something absurd, then regurgitate them out, as if you are arguing against absurdity. It's really amazing to watch you do this, kinda like watching someone make sausage.

Newton's third law can have logic applied, just like his first and second law, and any other law of physics. Logic doesn't have to be "science" to apply it to science. Logic is a collection of knowledge and wisdom we use to reason. It combines elements of math, physics, science, literature, philosophy, and plain old common sense (of which you have none).

When we apply logic to the question of why the universe came to be, there are two possible answers, it was either designed and created by something, or it wasn't. The universe either has purpose and reason, or it doesn't. There is a meaning behind the universe, or there isn't any meaning. If you wish to draw a conclusion that nothing created it, and no purpose, reason, or meaning exists for the universe, then you've stopped logically exploring possibility, and you've made a determination. Once you have made this determination, you have stopped using logic, therefore, you are being "without logic" or "devoid of logic" ....il-logic-al!
 
This episode of Sesame Street has been brought to you by circular reasoning.

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You can't apply logic to quantum physics in any useful way.

Logic can be applied to all areas of knowledge and study. Quantum physics simply defy our understanding of physical principle, and seems to defy logic. It either proves A. Illogical things can exist, or B. We lack full understanding of the principles and our physics principles are incomplete at this time.

With either outcome, it opens the door to the possibility of creation, purpose, reason, and meaning. I personally think Quantum Physics is powerful evidence for a Creator.
 
Logic tells us a particle can't be in two places at once. The math tells us it has to be. I DUNNO WAHT TO BELIEVE CAUSE LOGIC IS APPLIED TO EVERYTHING ANE THAT MAKES WHUT I SAY TRUU
No, "common sense" tells us that the particle cannot be in two places at once, but the language of logic (mathematics) tells us differently.

I think you are mistaking "common sense" for logic. If it were not logical it could not be expressed mathematically.
 
The dixie brian contains neither nor gates.
And runs on boohoolean logic since last fall.

Actually, my brain runs along the same logic as Dr. Collins, who wrote the book, The Language of God, which this thread is about. He's not a "religious wacko" or someone who thinks the world is 6,000 years old, he is the geneticist who mapped the human genome.

Those who have chosen to side against me, also side against Dr. Collins, not that it matters to anyone, but I think it says a lot about your position.
 
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