The Meaning of Christmas...

Eagle Eye said:
Sarcasm from an idiot who wishes to doom himself. A little food for thought before judgement day.




"Revelation 21:8 ESV / 262 helpful votes
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Matthew 25:41 ESV / 164 helpful votes
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Matthew 25:46 ESV / 148 helpful votes
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Matthew 10:28 ESV / 116 helpful votes
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Romans 6:23 ESV / 115 helpful votes
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 2:6-8 ESV / 113 helpful votes
He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
2 Thessalonians 1:9 ESV / 105 helpful votes
They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,
Mark 9:43 ESV / 99 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire.
Revelation 20:15 ESV / 96 helpful votes
And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Jude 1:7 ESV / 79 helpful votes
Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
John 3:36 ESV / 74 helpful votes
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
Luke 16:19-31 ESV / 66 helpful votes
“There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. ...
Mark 9:48 ESV / 66 helpful votes
‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’
2 Peter 2:4 ESV / 64 helpful votes
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;
John 5:29 ESV / 61 helpful votes
And come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.
Matthew 5:22 ESV / 59 helpful votes
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
John 14:6 ESV / 58 helpful votes
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Ezekiel 18:20 ESV / 57 helpful votes
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
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I don't believe most of that shit! The stufi do believe I see differently than you.
 
"Epicurus......wrong for 2400 years, but not forgotten......" PP #20
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That's a contradiction, not a substantiated logical refutation.

I invite you and everyone else to refute as little as one single point from Epicurus' observation:
“Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god?” ― Epicurus (341-270BC)
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sear said:
But though you and countless others present it as a dichotomy, a binary, it never was.

It's the fabulous luxury of being a conservative skeptic.

Believers and disbelievers have convictions.

But we agnostics earn the luxury of merely confessing our own ignorance.


“Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god?” ― Epicurus (341-270BC)
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You seem to left out free will and personal responsibility; but then, most liberals don't believe in such anyway.

:facepalm:
 
sear said:
That's a contradiction, not a substantiated logical refutation.

I invite you and everyone else to refute as little as one single point from Epicurus' observation:
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What is evil? Define evil?
 
lets enjoy the parts we agree on folks

stuff like Jesus was a great man who understood the power of LOVE


he was one of the worlds GREAT minds



Love is what we should concentrate on


we all agree on LOVE being the power mankind should look to no matter where you imagine it comes from.



not money


not power over others


not things


LOVE
 
Jarod said:
LOVE! Love! Love!

Christ came to Earth to deliver a simple message, Humans are loved directly and unconditionally by God.

What a great gift to know that God simply loves us, we are "pre-forgiven" for anything we do and have ever done, what an amazing thing to consider. Everyone is worthy of Gods love and there is NOTHING we can do to extinguish it. We can chose not to believe it, we can chose not to accept it, but turn around and there is is and it is absolute. Can you feel it? I can, at night when I go to sleep I do so with a smile on my face because I know I am loved. You can feel it also, just learn that its true and accept it.

Nobody have to prove themselves to God, you don't have to work hard, you don't have to have pure thoughts, you don't have to do good deeds, you are simply LOVED. You can be a bum, a Wall street banker, a Muslim or a Buddhist, you are LOVED by God. You can be a murderer or a priest, you are LOVED the same by GOD, and favored on Earth and in Heaven. All humans rejoice this Christmas as we celebrate the message Christ brought to us, the message of LOVE from God for ALL! Take a deep breath, no matter who you are, and feel the warm love wash over you and know there is peace within you here on Earth.
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“If you are penitent, you love. And if you love you are of God. All things are atoned for, all things are saved by love...Love is such a priceless treasure that you can redeem the whole world by it, and cleanse not only your own sins but the sins of others.”

-- Fyodor Dostoyevsky, The Brothers Karamazov
 
sear said:
That's a contradiction, not a substantiated logical refutation.

I invite you and everyone else to refute as little as one single point from Epicurus' observation:
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/shrugs.....okay.....
"“Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent."

there are not just two options......how about willing to permit us the freedom to make our own choices?......God could have made us incapable of choosing evil, but out of love, not malevolence, he did not......whence came evil?......our wrong choices......I'm pretty sure that this refutation has been made millions of times since Epicurus first made his error......surprisingly, you ignore the refutation and remember the error.......
 
"You seem to left out free will and personal responsibility; but then, most liberals don't believe in such anyway." U9 #23
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I defer to your unquestioned authority as a spokesperson for yourself and your fellow liberals.
I wouldn't know.
But many conservatives are sophisticated enough to understand:
"No thought or action can be both preordained and an act of free will at the same time." tronport
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"What is evil? Define evil?" J #24
evil (ê´vel) adjective
eviler, evilest
1.Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant. See synonyms at bad1.
2.Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
3.Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
4.Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
5.Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.

noun
1.The quality of being morally bad or wrong; wickedness.
2.That which causes harm, misfortune, or destruction: a leader's power to do both good and evil.
3.An evil force, power, or personification.
4.Something that is a cause or source of suffering, injury, or destruction: the social evils of poverty and injustice.

[Middle English, from Old English yfel.]
- e´villy adverb
- e´vilness noun

Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.
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Did you know that there are numerous dictionaries online, including AHD & OED?
 
sear said:
"No thought or action can be both preordained and an act of free will at the same time." tronport
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another obvious error......since God has not informed you of what he is aware you will do, you must make your own choice freely of your own will.......
 
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