The Meaning of Christmas...

CFM said:
I don't believe in predetermination.

I believe you have a choice and that you slated yourself for hell by the choice you've made.
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I think you and I will die and there is neither heaven nor hell except perhaps metaphorically on earth, and by your ignorance you have been predestined to live your only life in a liars, hypocrital and foolish hell until you expire.
I think after death it will be fine for us all, as the "experience " will be exactly as it was before you were born, you neither suffered, nor experienced, nor waited. There will be no identity to care about or "cleave" to.

Funny your Christianity is inimical to other forms of Christianity.
 
CFM said:
Just another example of an idiot that has no clue about God's word pretending he does.
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"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

What did I miss? Seems you can pledge feilty to the dancing zombie king's dad and jump off a bridge and live forever. What's holding you back?
 
Micawber said:
I think you and I will die and there is neither heaven nor hell except perhaps metaphorically on earth, and by your ignorance you have been predestined to live your only life in a liars, hypocrital and foolish hell until you expire.
I think after death it will be fine for us all, as the "experience " will be exactly as it was before you were born, you neither suffered, nor experienced, nor waited. There will be no identity to care about or "cleave" to.

Funny your Christianity is inimical to other forms of Christianity.
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And if you are incorrect??
 
Micawber said:
I think you and I will die and there is neither heaven nor hell except perhaps metaphorically on earth, and by your ignorance you have been predestined to live your only life in a liars, hypocrital and foolish hell until you expire.
I think after death it will be fine for us all, as the "experience " will be exactly as it was before you were born, you neither suffered, nor experienced, nor waited. There will be no identity to care about or "cleave" to.

Funny your Christianity is inimical to other forms of Christianity.
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It will be fine for me and very hot for you.
 
Micawber said:
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

What did I miss? Seems you can pledge feilty to the dancing zombie king's dad and jump off a bridge and live forever. What's holding you back?
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You miss quite a lot when you pick and choose what you want to apply. You left out the part about “all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be” -Psalm 139.16.
 
Jarod said:
LOVE! Love! Love!

Christ came to Earth to deliver a simple message, Humans are loved directly and unconditionally by God.

What a great gift to know that God simply loves us, we are "pre-forgiven" for anything we do and have ever done, what an amazing thing to consider. Everyone is worthy of Gods love and there is NOTHING we can do to extinguish it. We can chose not to believe it, we can chose not to accept it, but turn around and there is is and it is absolute. Can you feel it? I can, at night when I go to sleep I do so with a smile on my face because I know I am loved. You can feel it also, just learn that its true and accept it.

Nobody have to prove themselves to God, you don't have to work hard, you don't have to have pure thoughts, you don't have to do good deeds, you are simply LOVED. You can be a bum, a Wall street banker, a Muslim or a Buddhist, you are LOVED by God. You can be a murderer or a priest, you are LOVED the same by GOD, and favored on Earth and in Heaven. All humans rejoice this Christmas as we celebrate the message Christ brought to us, the message of LOVE from God for ALL! Take a deep breath, no matter who you are, and feel the warm love wash over you and know there is peace within you here on Earth.
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May want to read your Bible, you missed some very significant details.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
And if you are incorrect??
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Are you suggested I abondon my god given reason and crassly head fake Jeebus by professing belief in siomething that despite my best efforts I don't?
Probably a special place in hell for that sin. Or should I totally check my brain at God's door with my hat and cloak like Christians do?

Look and listen. I do not adopt the beliefs of any man or book or creed. That is what a true mental slave does. I think. I suggest you give that a whirl.
The problem with that is, if you do, happen against all odds to be an HONESTR HUMAN and through luck are not a moron, there is zero chance you can be a Christian, Muslim, Jew or believer in any other religion
as being the expression of total truth. Once more, the paltry truthes which can be tortured out of religions, which are in the main POLITICAL creations, are burried within and are subsidiary to giant precepts that are patent lies.

Religion is a horrible scourge, but I am afraid part of who and what we are at an essential level. God got one thing right, we are flawed, we believe in him.
 
CFM said:
It will be fine for me and very hot for you.
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Isn't it funny to you that you believe that God rules and yet you are superceding his judgment of me. Isn't there a verse about judging not lest....? Or do you read Dante, and accept his judgment over God's?
Or do you accept the judgment of what are moral principles that mere humans who pretended to know God channeled while writing the compendium of books that many other dudes poured over to declare what God's vision is. While at it, please cite the bibilical chapter and verse indicating that I will
fry.
 
Micawber said:
Are you suggested I abondon my god given reason and crassly head fake Jeebus by professing belief in siomething that despite my best efforts I don't?
Probably a special place in hell for that sin. Or should I totally check my brain at God's door with my hat and cloak like Christians do?

Look and listen. I do not adopt the beliefs of any man or book or creed. That is what a true mental slave does. I think. I suggest you give that a whirl.
The problem with that is, if you do, happen against all odds to be an HONESTR HUMAN and through luck are not a moron, there is zero chance you can be a Christian, Muslim, Jew or believer in any other religion
as being the expression of total truth. Once more, the paltry truthes which can be tortured out of religions, which are in the main POLITICAL creations, are burried within and are subsidiary to giant precepts that are patent lies.

Religion is a horrible scourge, but I am afraid part of who and what we are at an essential level. God got one thing right, we are flawed, we believe in him.
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Putting aside your attempt at denigration, you failed to answer the question of "And if you are incorrect?"; but I can understand how a non-believer having to address that possibility can be scary. :good4u:
 
Micawber said:
Isn't it funny to you that you believe that God rules and yet you are superceding his judgment of me. Isn't there a verse about judging not lest....? Or do you read Dante, and accept his judgment over God's?
Or do you accept the judgment of what are moral principles that mere humans who pretended to know God channeled while writing the compendium of books that many other dudes poured over to declare what God's vision is. While at it, please cite the bibilical chapter and verse indicating that I will
fry.
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I'm not superceding anything. I can read and have read what God's word says.

Matthew 10:33 - "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven"

Revelation 20:15 - "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire".
 
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