The myth of voter fraud

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The most comprehensive study so far on voter fraud largely dismisses its existence.


A report by the bipartisan United States Election Commission concluded there was "little polling place fraud," including voter impersonation, "dead" voters, noncitizen voting, and felon voters.


The main abuses were absentee-ballot fraud and efforts to intimidate voters on Election Day.


None of this will be cured by photo IDs when voting.


Think about it. Do we really believe people are lying and cheating their way to the ballot box?



http://www.minnpost.com/community_vo...of_voter_fraud
 
It has been a record year for new legislation designed to make it harder for Democrats to vote — 19 laws and two executive actions in 14 states dominated by Republicans...


As a result, more than five million eligible voters will have a harder time participating in the 2012 election.


Of course the Republicans passing these laws never acknowledge their real purpose, which is to turn away from the polls people who are more likely to vote Democratic, particularly the young, the poor, the elderly and minorities.






http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/the-myth-of-voter-fraud.html?_r=2&ref=opinion
 
If there is no fraud, as some suggest, then a free ID given by the state to show when voting shouldn't be such a big deal.
 
If there is no fraud, as some suggest, then a free ID given by the state to show when voting shouldn't be such a big deal.

Who said "there is no fraud"?

The ID may be free, but what is required to obtain one?

Passport? Not free.

Certified copies of birth certificates? Not free.

The truth is that a tiny number of voter impersonation cases is no excuse for putting obstacles in the way of voting.

For voters, even if an ID is free, getting the documents to obtain it — such as a birth certificate — can be expensive and difficult.

People born out of state who lack transportation, work multiple jobs, have disabilities, or are home-bound or poor can’t access or afford this paperwork.

Now that many states have reduced hours and locations of motor vehicle departments and other agencies because of budget cutbacks, getting an ID can be a battle.

In Wisconsin, 25 percent of DMV offices are open one day a month or less, and fewer than half are open at least 20 hours a week.


http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opi...8d2-5ee1-b5c4-54e25fcb5c35.html#ixzz1i2KDDiZG
 
there is NO voter fraud solved by requiring IDs.

Why is the right fighting so hard for laws that are UNNEEDED and will cost millions of tax payer dollars?


I thought you people hated the government wasting money?
 
Maybe the Dancin' Dalai Damocles regards spending taxpayer money to disenfranchise Democrats a good investment.


The most widespread hurdle has been the demand for photo identification at the polls, a departure from the longstanding practice of using voters’ signatures or household identification like a utility bill.

Seven states this year have passed laws requiring strict photo ID to vote, and similar measures were introduced in 27 other states.


More than 21 million citizens — 11 percent of the population — do not have government ID cards.


Many of them are poor, or elderly, or black and Hispanic ...



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/the-myth-of-voter-fraud.html?_r=2&ref=opinion
 
Who said "there is no fraud"?

The ID may be free, but what is required to obtain one?

Passport? Not free.

Certified copies of birth certificates? Not free.

The truth is that a tiny number of voter impersonation cases is no excuse for putting obstacles in the way of voting.

For voters, even if an ID is free, getting the documents to obtain it — such as a birth certificate — can be expensive and difficult.

People born out of state who lack transportation, work multiple jobs, have disabilities, or are home-bound or poor can’t access or afford this paperwork.

Now that many states have reduced hours and locations of motor vehicle departments and other agencies because of budget cutbacks, getting an ID can be a battle.

In Wisconsin, 25 percent of DMV offices are open one day a month or less, and fewer than half are open at least 20 hours a week.


http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opi...8d2-5ee1-b5c4-54e25fcb5c35.html#ixzz1i2KDDiZG

Actually, the law that passed muster through the SCOTUS didn't require anything other than what you need to register to vote in the first place. There really is no reason to object to this one. Requirements don't allow them to charge because it becomes a "poll tax", they can't require anything other than what you normally require to register to vote, and it reassures people in the process (which is a good thing).
 
go look at the video I posted.

weryric is one of the founders of the republican right wing think tank so many on hte right revere
 
Actually, the law that passed muster through the SCOTUS didn't require anything other than what you need to register to vote in the first place. There really is no reason to object to this one. Requirements don't allow them to charge because it becomes a "poll tax", they can't require anything other than what you normally require to register to vote.

Though the U.S. Supreme Court upheld an Indiana photo ID requirement in 2008, that law passed muster in part because the state provided some voters with free identification.

New laws in states where employee or student IDs can’t be used to register to vote — such as Wisconsin, Texas, Tennessee and South Carolina — are stricter.

Prosecutable cases of voter fraud are rare.

For example, a 2005 statewide study in Ohio found four instances of ineligible persons voting or attempting to vote in 2002 and 2004, out of 9 million votes cast.

An investigation of fraud allegations in Wisconsin in 2004 led to the prosecution of 0.0007 percent of voters.

From 2002 to 2005, the Justice Department found, only five people were convicted for voting multiple times.

In that same period, federal prosecutors convicted only 86 people for improper voting.


http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opi...8d2-5ee1-b5c4-54e25fcb5c35.html#ixzz1i2OK242A
 
Who said "there is no fraud"?

The ID may be free, but what is required to obtain one?

Passport? Not free.

Certified copies of birth certificates? Not free.

The truth is that a tiny number of voter impersonation cases is no excuse for putting obstacles in the way of voting.

For voters, even if an ID is free, getting the documents to obtain it — such as a birth certificate — can be expensive and difficult.

People born out of state who lack transportation, work multiple jobs, have disabilities, or are home-bound or poor can’t access or afford this paperwork.

Now that many states have reduced hours and locations of motor vehicle departments and other agencies because of budget cutbacks, getting an ID can be a battle.

In Wisconsin, 25 percent of DMV offices are open one day a month or less, and fewer than half are open at least 20 hours a week.


http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opi...8d2-5ee1-b5c4-54e25fcb5c35.html#ixzz1i2KDDiZG


Excuses are like assholes....and Mr. AssWipe has many more than his fair share........

Even 'free' isn't good enough......:palm:
 
How fucking sick are the people who still claim that we need IDs to vote when all the evidence is still against it?


How can you call yourself and American and sanction the stealing of the vote from a voter so your party can win?
 
How can anyone suggest that the authorities aren’t on top of voter fraud — or that new ID laws aren’t motivated by politics?

Taxpayers will bear the costs of these measures — more than $20 million in North Carolina, for example, to educate voters and provide free IDs to those without them, as the state’s law requires.

For voters, even if an ID is free, getting the documents to obtain it — such as a birth certificate — can be expensive and difficult.

People born out of state who lack transportation, work multiple jobs, have disabilities, or are home-bound or poor can’t access or afford this paperwork.


http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opi...8d2-5ee1-b5c4-54e25fcb5c35.html#ixzz1i2S1v98X
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


it is irrelevant huh?


It is one of the top founders of your religious republican base without whom your party counld not win an election for dog catcher.


He states OUTRIGHT ( because he thinks only Rs are listening) that the Repiublicans win elections when fewer AMERICANS are allowed to vote.

He is fucking preaching to the crowd to give up the American value of one man one vote.


He is speaking treason.
 
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