The Neo-Cons false claim

klaatu

Fusionist
That they are the Core Conservative base of the Republican Party. The sad thing is the mainstream press and liberals follow suit. Apparently the mainstream media chooses to ignore the fact that Bush is not representative of true core conservatism and those Conservatives who do stand up to this Oligarchic regime are labeled Mavericks and Moderates ...ie ...Hagel and McCain.
Ive been reading several different blogs across the internet laying claim that Core Conservatives would like to tar and feather Hagel and McCain because they have been thorns in the backs of the Bush administration... while this is true..they have been thorns... McCain on a number of policy issue and Hagel on this Cluster Fuck aka The War in Iraq, Core Conservatives I know look upon this administration as a total embarrassment and contrary to all that is true Modern Day Core Conservatism. Modern Day Conservatism should be defined as Progressive Conservatism... oxymoron it is, but it is a sign of the times when you consider that modern liberals advocate 60 year old Social Programs.
Modern Day Conservatives advocate reform in Government... but are strict Constitutionalist.. we do not read what is not there. We are offended when we see our rights trampled upon and we do not advocate intervention policies. We support sound debate and frown upon Elitist Political Correctness that would fly in the face of the First Amendment.
This paragraph alone separates the Neo-Con from the Modern Day Core Conservative.

Modern Conservatives that I know and support see a role with Government in our lives, albeit streamlined- small and productive... From Global Warming to Hunger in Africa, Health Care and Alternative Energy, Social Security and Education, yet we recognize the need to first call upon Individuals and Private Enterprise, and we recognize the need to repair, reform and where necessary rid ourselves of waste and useless over regulation. Our approach is to initiate with incentive.

We do not view the role of our President and his Staff to that of a bully pulpit, to be treated with a hands off approach.. free from criticism. We do not support Kings.
 
The true core conservatives choose him for their canidate twice and sent them to the White House. He is the leader of the True Conservative party.

The conservatives elected him, they own him!

He has espoused every conservative value since day one!
 
The true core conservatives choose him for their canidate twice and sent them to the White House. He is the leader of the True Conservative party.

The conservatives elected him, they own him!

He has espoused every conservative value since day one!

Bullshit... you obviously do not understand Conservative Values..., expanding the power of Government and interventionism is not Conservative Values..this is your side of the fence. But why would you understand values? But you are correct in that Conservatives elected him, no denying this... this is true..we fucked up... but then again you dont think a Conservative would vote for John Kerry do you? John Kerry was your fuck up.
 
virtually every republican voted to make bush president not once, but twice.

Virtually every republican senator and congressman has voted for nearly everything bush wanted.

Are you suggesting there are no core conservatives in the republican party?
 
Bullshit... you obviously do not understand Conservative Values..., expanding the power of Government and interventionism is not Conservative Values..this is your side of the fence. But why would you understand values? But you are correct in that Conservatives elected him, no denying this... this is true..we fucked up... but then again you dont think a Conservative would vote for John Kerry do you? John Kerry was your fuck up.

I am proud my party nominated Sennator Kerry... Your party nominated Bush!
 
virtually every republican voted to make bush president not once, but twice.

Virtually every republican senator and congressman has voted for nearly everything bush wanted.

Are you suggesting there are no core conservatives in the republican party?

Again... I dont deny this! We fucked up...but look at the alternative and Yes.. I will suggest to you that there are very few core conservatives representing us in Washington ....
 
I am proud my party nominated Sennator Kerry... Your party nominated Bush!

You are only proud because he wasnt given the opportunity to embarrass you ..

John Kerry is a dolt... and the fact that everyone in your party has run miles away from him proves it....
 
You are only proud because he wasnt given the opportunity to embarrass you ..

John Kerry is a dolt... and the fact that everyone in your party has run miles away from him proves it....

I like Senator Kerry.

Your party nominated Bush twice.

Your party had plenty of choices, the one that represented them the best and most was Bush. Look what a mess the Conservatives have gotten us into!
 
Bullshit... you obviously do not understand Conservative Values..., expanding the power of Government and interventionism is not Conservative Values..this is your side of the fence. But why would you understand values? But you are correct in that Conservatives elected him, no denying this... this is true..we fucked up... but then again you dont think a Conservative would vote for John Kerry do you? John Kerry was your fuck up.

but then again you dont think a Conservative would vote for John Kerry do you? John Kerry was your fuck up


IMO, there comes a time when you have to vote for the interest of your country, over the interests of your ideology. Bush has destroyed this countries reputation, virtually isolated us geopolitically, and plunged us into the worst foreign policy disaster and worst-managed war in american history. There's little doubt he will be viewed as the worst two-term president....Ever.

Kerry wasn't my first choice. But he clearly outclassed the Chimp in every way that matters at this point: most of the world, and particularly our Allies would have given us a standing ovation if Kerry were elected. Kerry is clearly a more serious and deliberative man, than chimp boy. A man who would have had some gravitas on the world stage.
 
The true core conservatives choose him for their canidate twice and sent them to the White House. He is the leader of the True Conservative party.

The conservatives elected him, they own him!

He has espoused every conservative value since day one!

Yep, My viewpoint as well. The cons wanted him and they got him. They backed him to the maxx, and parrotted his talking points well. They are all together now.
It will take several years after bush is gone for the stench to leave the Republican party.
 
The Conservatives could have voted for lots of people other than Bush or Kerry.

If they had, they would not own Bush like they now do.


Dont blame me because you have buyers regret!
 
Bush ran on being a Compassionate Conservative. Not neo con. This is a silly argument made in the line on any lame liberal argument. State a false premise and ask for response. LOL
 
Bush ran on being a Compassionate Conservative. Not neo con. This is a silly argument made in the line on any lame liberal argument. State a false premise and ask for response. LOL

False premise? What that Bush and his administration are not card carrying members of the The Project for the New American Century? Which is in of itself the Heart Beat of the Neo-Con.

iIn 2000 Bush campaigned on many Conservative issues ...no doubt about it... but talking the talk is different from walking the walk. Wake up.
 
False premise? What that Bush and his administration are not card carrying members of the The Project for the New American Century? Which is in of itself the Heart Beat of the Neo-Con.

iIn 2000 Bush campaigned on many Conservative issues ...no doubt about it... but talking the talk is different from walking the walk. Wake up.
You ain't kidding. I've been saying that Bush is no Conservative for over six years now.
 
I think one should automatically discount what bush says as the "real" truth and look elsewwere. I say real because Bush has some of the best spinmeisters in the world working hard for him. he he , their job seems to be getting more difficult...
 
You ain't kidding. I've been saying that Bush is no Conservative for over six years now.


The effect is though that the more a true conservative "embraced" Bush the more stench they now wear. And to some extent ib bleeds over to the entire party of Bush. Don't worry, I got over the "stench" of admitting having voted for Clowntoon :D
 
The effect is though that the more a true conservative "embraced" Bush the more stench they now wear. And to some extent ib bleeds over to the entire party of Bush. Don't worry, I got over the "stench" of admitting having voted for Clowntoon :D
I will get over voting for Bush as well, that doesn't change the reality of what Klaatu is saying. Bush is no conservative, at best he is "neocon" and working for a New American World or whatever it is that they promote on their inane site where they plan on creating American Style Democracy across the world.
 
I will get over voting for Bush as well, that doesn't change the reality of what Klaatu is saying. Bush is no conservative, at best he is "neocon" and working for a New American World or whatever it is that they promote on their inane site where they plan on creating American Style Democracy across the world.

Oh on that I fully agree, Bush is/was no true conservative. But he seems to have fooled many of the "experts" on conservatism in the Republican party.

I mean where else would the experts on conservatism be ?
Sure as heck not in the Demoncrats, the Libretarins, yes somewhat. But in theory the experts on conservatism should be in the Republican party.
 
Until the past 6 or 12 months, I barely heard any "conservatives" criticize bush. Outside of Pat Buchannon, and a few other hardy souls.

This IS the modern face of conservatism: radical, religious rightwing authoritarianism.
 
Until the past 6 or 12 months, I barely heard any "conservatives" criticize bush. Outside of Pat Buchannon, and a few other hardy souls.

This IS the modern face of conservatism: radical, religious rightwing authoritarianism.


Not true. Thats the face of the Republican party. All through this thread the partisan blinders are on defining ideology through party.

Dixie is not the face of conservatism. Nor is Bush, Wolfowitz, Cheney, or Dano.

Conservatism is not defined by party, and obviously the reciprocal is true as well.
 
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