The New Driving Force of Identity Politics Is Class, Not Race

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Political parties and voters are never static. I don't think what is being stated is set in stone, and could easily revert back, but signs are pointing in this direction.



The New Driving Force of Identity Politics Is Class, Not Race

The nation is increasingly voting along class lines, not racial ones. That could upend how we have thought about politics for decades.


New fault lines are emerging in American society based more on class than race.

The shift helped deliver the White House to Donald Trump and could continue to alter the political landscape if more Americans identify themselves less in the context of race and gender and more as belonging to a certain economic class.

“Race is not an issue for me,” said Aaron Waters, a Black unionized construction worker in Chicago who voted for Trump after voting for President Biden and Barack Obama in past elections. “It’s about what you can do for each and every one of us as a whole, as a U.S. citizen.”

Trump made gains with most demographic groups in this month’s election. But one of the biggest swings was among voters of all races who don’t have a four-year college degree. He won them by 13 percentage points this time versus 4 percentage points in 2020—a huge change in a group that accounted for more than half of the electorate. College-educated voters of all races also swung to Trump, but to a much smaller degree.

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Aaron Waters, a unionized construction worker in Chicago, voted for Donald Trump. Photo: Akilah Whitmore for WSJ
Black and to a greater extent Latino Americans, meanwhile, ceded some of their longtime allegiance to Democrats. Trump gained with nonwhite voters of all education levels, but he made bigger gains with those who don’t have degrees than with those who do.

Overall voting patterns still clearly reflect racial division. Black voters overwhelmingly backed Harris, and a slim majority of Latino voters did, too. William Frey, a Brookings Institution demographer, said the voting shifts could be a “blip” related to sharp inflation, and that it is too soon “to predict a multiracial transformation of the GOP.”

There is evidence the shift in voting patterns predates this election. In 2022, for instance, voters in Detroit, a majority Black city, elected a non-Black representative to Congress for the first time in 70 years. Many cited economic concerns as a primary driver behind their decisions.

“This is the shock of the early 21st century,” said Todd Shaw, associate professor of political science and African-American studies at the University of South Carolina. Shaw said for many minority voters, economic anxiety often outweighs other political considerations, especially in the wake of a global pandemic that hit many working-class voters hard.

The shift toward class-based sorting also comes as some of the nation’s longtime racial categories—white, Black and Hispanic—are dissolving fast into more fluid and complex identities. As those categories blur, other factors, like education levels and class, are playing larger roles in Americans’ quality-of-life and are increasingly driving voters’ choices.

Thirty years ago, Americans with a college degree accounted for roughly 20% of the population and held the same percentage of household wealth as those without a degree, according to the census and the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. Today, Americans with a college degree account for 38% of the population and 73% of household wealth.

Those with a college degree live nearly nine years longer on average than those without, according to a 2023 study by Princeton University economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton. The gap has tripled in one generation, from 2.5 years in 1992.

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A Latino Summit roundtable was held by the Trump campaign last month in Doral, Fla. Photo: Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images
Voting patterns among those without a college degree reflect the new fault lines, from white women in suburban Atlanta to Black construction workers and Latino retail employees in Chicago. These voters seem to have little in common on paper, but last week they coalesced around Trump.

That outcome reflected a shift in the decades-old orientation of the two-party political system. It marked just how successful the Republican Party has been at refashioning its image as the champion for the working class, and served as a warning sign for Democratic Party leadership. This week, Democratic Party veterans Rahm Emanuel and Maine Gov. Janet Mills argued that it was time to stamp out identity politics.

Chicagoan Alfredo Ramirez voted twice for Barack Obama and for Hillary Clinton in 2016. But in the last two elections he has backed Trump.

Ramirez said economic concerns, not race, largely drove his vote this time. He and his wife are raising three children on his $25,000-a-year job at Target. He remembers the economy being better before the pandemic, when eggs and everything else cost less.

Trump “has done more for the American people, as opposed to the Democrats. They are only caring about themselves,” Ramirez said. He said being Latino didn’t affect his vote. “It really doesn’t matter…as long as we are out here fighting for our freedom.”

American political alignment has shifted in big ways before, according to Colby College professor Nicholas F. Jacobs, who said that in the 1980s, it became more important whether a voter lived in an urban or rural area than whether they lived in a particular part of the country, such as the Northeast or Southwest.

He sees evidence of a similar realignment occurring along lines of class in this month’s election, with Republicans making a far better appeal. Democrats at times tried to use statistics, he said, explained down to the decimal point, to argue that inflation wasn’t really hurting people and that voters’ concerns about immigration were unfounded.

“The most important thing about class politics is the sense that you are recognized, you have value in our society, and the person seeking your vote sees you have dignity and worth,” he said.

Biden hoped to bolster support for Democrats among the working class through the federal investments he championed in U.S. infrastructure and manufacturing. Several laws he helped shepherd through Congress devoted tens of billions of dollars to building roads, bridges, factories and electric-vehicle chargers.

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Photo: Akilah Whitmore for WSJ
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A project to overhaul Chicago’s ‘L’ train was funded by President Biden’s infrastructure law and employs unionized workers. Photo: Akilah Whitmore for WSJ
But at one of those construction sites in Chicago this week—a buzzing project to overhaul the city’s elevated train—some laborers said they voted for Trump.

Nicole Wiltz, a 52-year-old Black unionized worker in a hard hat and bright yellow vest, said she usually votes for Democrats but was dismayed to see how many resources the government devoted to the migrant crisis when many longtime Chicagoans were still homeless.

Wiltz said she didn’t feel pressure from her union or friends and family to vote for Harris. Nor did she feel she should because Harris is a Black woman.

“I mean, it’s not about that. It’s about right now,” Wiltz said. She respects the Black community’s tradition of voting for Democrats but said she is fed up with politicians who “don’t deliver what they promised.”

Hispanic and Black voters throughout the country echoed this idea, that notions of fealty to the Democratic Party based on race were outdated—and that economic concerns drove the shift to Republicans and Trump.

Yubisay Camero, a 49-year-old Venezuelan-American in Doral, Fla., said she voted for Trump, as she did in 2020, when she cast her first ballot in a U.S. presidential election. Worries about inflation and illegal immigration, which she said has brought criminals to the country, drove her decision.

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Yubisay Camero says concerns about inflation and illegal immigration drove her voting choice. Photo: Eva Marie Uzcategui for WSJ
“In the last four years, people have had less and less hope,” said Camero. “It’s not the same economy, in which people who work can get ahead.”

Carelia Spence, a 60-year-old Venezuelan-American and registered independent in Tampa, Fla., said she voted for Trump, her first time participating in a presidential election since becoming a U.S. citizen.

Spence said her finances deteriorated under Biden, and her wages failed to keep up with prices. After working at Home Depot and driving for Uber, she landed a position as an insurance agent and now makes $24 an hour. But her employer recently cut bonuses and profit-sharing, reducing her pay.

Spence said she supported Obama when he was in office, though she wasn’t yet a U.S. citizen. But she said he failed to help average people, and she became disenchanted with Democrats and their message that Republicans don’t care about Hispanics.

“We don’t want that condescension,” Spence said. “We know they use us to win elections. But when the moment comes to do something, they don’t do anything.”


 
Political parties and voters are never static. I don't think what is being stated is set in stone, and could easily revert back, but signs are pointing in this direction.



The New Driving Force of Identity Politics Is Class, Not Race

The nation is increasingly voting along class lines, not racial ones. That could upend how we have thought about politics for decades.


New fault lines are emerging in American society based more on class than race.

The shift helped deliver the White House to Donald Trump and could continue to alter the political landscape if more Americans identify themselves less in the context of race and gender and more as belonging to a certain economic class.

“Race is not an issue for me,” said Aaron Waters, a Black unionized construction worker in Chicago who voted for Trump after voting for President Biden and Barack Obama in past elections. “It’s about what you can do for each and every one of us as a whole, as a U.S. citizen.”

Trump made gains with most demographic groups in this month’s election. But one of the biggest swings was among voters of all races who don’t have a four-year college degree. He won them by 13 percentage points this time versus 4 percentage points in 2020—a huge change in a group that accounted for more than half of the electorate. College-educated voters of all races also swung to Trump, but to a much smaller degree.

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Aaron Waters, a unionized construction worker in Chicago, voted for Donald Trump. Photo: Akilah Whitmore for WSJ
Black and to a greater extent Latino Americans, meanwhile, ceded some of their longtime allegiance to Democrats. Trump gained with nonwhite voters of all education levels, but he made bigger gains with those who don’t have degrees than with those who do.

Overall voting patterns still clearly reflect racial division. Black voters overwhelmingly backed Harris, and a slim majority of Latino voters did, too. William Frey, a Brookings Institution demographer, said the voting shifts could be a “blip” related to sharp inflation, and that it is too soon “to predict a multiracial transformation of the GOP.”

There is evidence the shift in voting patterns predates this election. In 2022, for instance, voters in Detroit, a majority Black city, elected a non-Black representative to Congress for the first time in 70 years. Many cited economic concerns as a primary driver behind their decisions.

“This is the shock of the early 21st century,” said Todd Shaw, associate professor of political science and African-American studies at the University of South Carolina. Shaw said for many minority voters, economic anxiety often outweighs other political considerations, especially in the wake of a global pandemic that hit many working-class voters hard.

The shift toward class-based sorting also comes as some of the nation’s longtime racial categories—white, Black and Hispanic—are dissolving fast into more fluid and complex identities. As those categories blur, other factors, like education levels and class, are playing larger roles in Americans’ quality-of-life and are increasingly driving voters’ choices.

Thirty years ago, Americans with a college degree accounted for roughly 20% of the population and held the same percentage of household wealth as those without a degree, according to the census and the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. Today, Americans with a college degree account for 38% of the population and 73% of household wealth.

Those with a college degree live nearly nine years longer on average than those without, according to a 2023 study by Princeton University economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton. The gap has tripled in one generation, from 2.5 years in 1992.

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A Latino Summit roundtable was held by the Trump campaign last month in Doral, Fla. Photo: Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images
Voting patterns among those without a college degree reflect the new fault lines, from white women in suburban Atlanta to Black construction workers and Latino retail employees in Chicago. These voters seem to have little in common on paper, but last week they coalesced around Trump.

That outcome reflected a shift in the decades-old orientation of the two-party political system. It marked just how successful the Republican Party has been at refashioning its image as the champion for the working class, and served as a warning sign for Democratic Party leadership. This week, Democratic Party veterans Rahm Emanuel and Maine Gov. Janet Mills argued that it was time to stamp out identity politics.

Chicagoan Alfredo Ramirez voted twice for Barack Obama and for Hillary Clinton in 2016. But in the last two elections he has backed Trump.

Ramirez said economic concerns, not race, largely drove his vote this time. He and his wife are raising three children on his $25,000-a-year job at Target. He remembers the economy being better before the pandemic, when eggs and everything else cost less.

Trump “has done more for the American people, as opposed to the Democrats. They are only caring about themselves,” Ramirez said. He said being Latino didn’t affect his vote. “It really doesn’t matter…as long as we are out here fighting for our freedom.”

American political alignment has shifted in big ways before, according to Colby College professor Nicholas F. Jacobs, who said that in the 1980s, it became more important whether a voter lived in an urban or rural area than whether they lived in a particular part of the country, such as the Northeast or Southwest.

He sees evidence of a similar realignment occurring along lines of class in this month’s election, with Republicans making a far better appeal. Democrats at times tried to use statistics, he said, explained down to the decimal point, to argue that inflation wasn’t really hurting people and that voters’ concerns about immigration were unfounded.

“The most important thing about class politics is the sense that you are recognized, you have value in our society, and the person seeking your vote sees you have dignity and worth,” he said.

Biden hoped to bolster support for Democrats among the working class through the federal investments he championed in U.S. infrastructure and manufacturing. Several laws he helped shepherd through Congress devoted tens of billions of dollars to building roads, bridges, factories and electric-vehicle chargers.

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Photo: Akilah Whitmore for WSJ
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A project to overhaul Chicago’s ‘L’ train was funded by President Biden’s infrastructure law and employs unionized workers. Photo: Akilah Whitmore for WSJ
But at one of those construction sites in Chicago this week—a buzzing project to overhaul the city’s elevated train—some laborers said they voted for Trump.

Nicole Wiltz, a 52-year-old Black unionized worker in a hard hat and bright yellow vest, said she usually votes for Democrats but was dismayed to see how many resources the government devoted to the migrant crisis when many longtime Chicagoans were still homeless.

Wiltz said she didn’t feel pressure from her union or friends and family to vote for Harris. Nor did she feel she should because Harris is a Black woman.

“I mean, it’s not about that. It’s about right now,” Wiltz said. She respects the Black community’s tradition of voting for Democrats but said she is fed up with politicians who “don’t deliver what they promised.”

Hispanic and Black voters throughout the country echoed this idea, that notions of fealty to the Democratic Party based on race were outdated—and that economic concerns drove the shift to Republicans and Trump.

Yubisay Camero, a 49-year-old Venezuelan-American in Doral, Fla., said she voted for Trump, as she did in 2020, when she cast her first ballot in a U.S. presidential election. Worries about inflation and illegal immigration, which she said has brought criminals to the country, drove her decision.

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Yubisay Camero says concerns about inflation and illegal immigration drove her voting choice. Photo: Eva Marie Uzcategui for WSJ
“In the last four years, people have had less and less hope,” said Camero. “It’s not the same economy, in which people who work can get ahead.”

Carelia Spence, a 60-year-old Venezuelan-American and registered independent in Tampa, Fla., said she voted for Trump, her first time participating in a presidential election since becoming a U.S. citizen.

Spence said her finances deteriorated under Biden, and her wages failed to keep up with prices. After working at Home Depot and driving for Uber, she landed a position as an insurance agent and now makes $24 an hour. But her employer recently cut bonuses and profit-sharing, reducing her pay.

Spence said she supported Obama when he was in office, though she wasn’t yet a U.S. citizen. But she said he failed to help average people, and she became disenchanted with Democrats and their message that Republicans don’t care about Hispanics.

“We don’t want that condescension,” Spence said. “We know they use us to win elections. But when the moment comes to do something, they don’t do anything.”


What will trump do? Cut more using the SA Boer musk(rat)and Apu Ramaswamy as his hatchet weasels
 
Political parties and voters are never static. I don't think what is being stated is set in stone, and could easily revert back, but signs are pointing in this direction.



The New Driving Force of Identity Politics Is Class, Not Race

The nation is increasingly voting along class lines, not racial ones. That could upend how we have thought about politics for decades.


New fault lines are emerging in American society based more on class than race.

The shift helped deliver the White House to Donald Trump and could continue to alter the political landscape if more Americans identify themselves less in the context of race and gender and more as belonging to a certain economic class.

“Race is not an issue for me,” said Aaron Waters, a Black unionized construction worker in Chicago who voted for Trump after voting for President Biden and Barack Obama in past elections. “It’s about what you can do for each and every one of us as a whole, as a U.S. citizen.”

Trump made gains with most demographic groups in this month’s election. But one of the biggest swings was among voters of all races who don’t have a four-year college degree. He won them by 13 percentage points this time versus 4 percentage points in 2020—a huge change in a group that accounted for more than half of the electorate. College-educated voters of all races also swung to Trump, but to a much smaller degree.

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Aaron Waters, a unionized construction worker in Chicago, voted for Donald Trump. Photo: Akilah Whitmore for WSJ
Black and to a greater extent Latino Americans, meanwhile, ceded some of their longtime allegiance to Democrats. Trump gained with nonwhite voters of all education levels, but he made bigger gains with those who don’t have degrees than with those who do.

Overall voting patterns still clearly reflect racial division. Black voters overwhelmingly backed Harris, and a slim majority of Latino voters did, too. William Frey, a Brookings Institution demographer, said the voting shifts could be a “blip” related to sharp inflation, and that it is too soon “to predict a multiracial transformation of the GOP.”

There is evidence the shift in voting patterns predates this election. In 2022, for instance, voters in Detroit, a majority Black city, elected a non-Black representative to Congress for the first time in 70 years. Many cited economic concerns as a primary driver behind their decisions.

“This is the shock of the early 21st century,” said Todd Shaw, associate professor of political science and African-American studies at the University of South Carolina. Shaw said for many minority voters, economic anxiety often outweighs other political considerations, especially in the wake of a global pandemic that hit many working-class voters hard.

The shift toward class-based sorting also comes as some of the nation’s longtime racial categories—white, Black and Hispanic—are dissolving fast into more fluid and complex identities. As those categories blur, other factors, like education levels and class, are playing larger roles in Americans’ quality-of-life and are increasingly driving voters’ choices.

Thirty years ago, Americans with a college degree accounted for roughly 20% of the population and held the same percentage of household wealth as those without a degree, according to the census and the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. Today, Americans with a college degree account for 38% of the population and 73% of household wealth.

Those with a college degree live nearly nine years longer on average than those without, according to a 2023 study by Princeton University economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton. The gap has tripled in one generation, from 2.5 years in 1992.

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A Latino Summit roundtable was held by the Trump campaign last month in Doral, Fla. Photo: Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images
Voting patterns among those without a college degree reflect the new fault lines, from white women in suburban Atlanta to Black construction workers and Latino retail employees in Chicago. These voters seem to have little in common on paper, but last week they coalesced around Trump.

That outcome reflected a shift in the decades-old orientation of the two-party political system. It marked just how successful the Republican Party has been at refashioning its image as the champion for the working class, and served as a warning sign for Democratic Party leadership. This week, Democratic Party veterans Rahm Emanuel and Maine Gov. Janet Mills argued that it was time to stamp out identity politics.

Chicagoan Alfredo Ramirez voted twice for Barack Obama and for Hillary Clinton in 2016. But in the last two elections he has backed Trump.

Ramirez said economic concerns, not race, largely drove his vote this time. He and his wife are raising three children on his $25,000-a-year job at Target. He remembers the economy being better before the pandemic, when eggs and everything else cost less.

Trump “has done more for the American people, as opposed to the Democrats. They are only caring about themselves,” Ramirez said. He said being Latino didn’t affect his vote. “It really doesn’t matter…as long as we are out here fighting for our freedom.”

American political alignment has shifted in big ways before, according to Colby College professor Nicholas F. Jacobs, who said that in the 1980s, it became more important whether a voter lived in an urban or rural area than whether they lived in a particular part of the country, such as the Northeast or Southwest.

He sees evidence of a similar realignment occurring along lines of class in this month’s election, with Republicans making a far better appeal. Democrats at times tried to use statistics, he said, explained down to the decimal point, to argue that inflation wasn’t really hurting people and that voters’ concerns about immigration were unfounded.

“The most important thing about class politics is the sense that you are recognized, you have value in our society, and the person seeking your vote sees you have dignity and worth,” he said.

Biden hoped to bolster support for Democrats among the working class through the federal investments he championed in U.S. infrastructure and manufacturing. Several laws he helped shepherd through Congress devoted tens of billions of dollars to building roads, bridges, factories and electric-vehicle chargers.

im-47918977
Photo: Akilah Whitmore for WSJ
im-87227336
A project to overhaul Chicago’s ‘L’ train was funded by President Biden’s infrastructure law and employs unionized workers. Photo: Akilah Whitmore for WSJ
But at one of those construction sites in Chicago this week—a buzzing project to overhaul the city’s elevated train—some laborers said they voted for Trump.

Nicole Wiltz, a 52-year-old Black unionized worker in a hard hat and bright yellow vest, said she usually votes for Democrats but was dismayed to see how many resources the government devoted to the migrant crisis when many longtime Chicagoans were still homeless.

Wiltz said she didn’t feel pressure from her union or friends and family to vote for Harris. Nor did she feel she should because Harris is a Black woman.

“I mean, it’s not about that. It’s about right now,” Wiltz said. She respects the Black community’s tradition of voting for Democrats but said she is fed up with politicians who “don’t deliver what they promised.”

Hispanic and Black voters throughout the country echoed this idea, that notions of fealty to the Democratic Party based on race were outdated—and that economic concerns drove the shift to Republicans and Trump.

Yubisay Camero, a 49-year-old Venezuelan-American in Doral, Fla., said she voted for Trump, as she did in 2020, when she cast her first ballot in a U.S. presidential election. Worries about inflation and illegal immigration, which she said has brought criminals to the country, drove her decision.

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Yubisay Camero says concerns about inflation and illegal immigration drove her voting choice. Photo: Eva Marie Uzcategui for WSJ
“In the last four years, people have had less and less hope,” said Camero. “It’s not the same economy, in which people who work can get ahead.”

Carelia Spence, a 60-year-old Venezuelan-American and registered independent in Tampa, Fla., said she voted for Trump, her first time participating in a presidential election since becoming a U.S. citizen.

Spence said her finances deteriorated under Biden, and her wages failed to keep up with prices. After working at Home Depot and driving for Uber, she landed a position as an insurance agent and now makes $24 an hour. But her employer recently cut bonuses and profit-sharing, reducing her pay.

Spence said she supported Obama when he was in office, though she wasn’t yet a U.S. citizen. But she said he failed to help average people, and she became disenchanted with Democrats and their message that Republicans don’t care about Hispanics.

“We don’t want that condescension,” Spence said. “We know they use us to win elections. But when the moment comes to do something, they don’t do anything.”




It's been noticed, apparently, and it's cost them dearly.

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The reason the election and re-election of Trump caused so much vitriol and anger is that Trumpism is best understood as a counter-revolution designed specifically to challenge and defeat the "progressive" cultural revolution.

No wonder they're so upset.
 
I don’t disagree with any of this. In fact this is the biggest shift in the coalitions in my lifetime. Even bigger than the shift caused by Nixon’s Souther strategy. From where I sit it’s even kind of silly to even identify as a Democrat or Republican as this major shift is still under way and both parties are in chaos and will be until this realignment has completed.

One thing is clear is that male voters across the board are just completely fed up with the Democratic Party who’s composition was predominantly moderate liberals but has been dominated by the progressive radical wing of the Democratic Party.

For quite a few decades and beginning with the Clinton administration the Democratic Party has ignored working class voters, fed them crumbs, stood by and did nothing while Republicans turned our government into an oligarchy ruled by the wealthiest billionaire class, have done nothing to fight economic inequality as for decades virtually all the economic gains and productivity have gone exclusively to the wealthiest Americans while middle and working class wages have stagnated and been eaten away by inflation.

Having said that this isn’t even the Primary reason working class voters, both blue and white collar workers are fed up with Democratic leadership.

The real reason is working class male voters are absolutely fed up with progressive liberals. Even minority male workers are fed up with progressives.

They are fed up with Identity politics, they are fed up with condescending DEI policies. They are fed up with Wokeism and cancel culture, they are fed up with our education system being dominated by academics with Mickey Mouse Humanity degrees but most of all male voters are fed up to hell with second wave feminism which is one of the strongest reason why male voters are absolutely fed up with the malignant bigotry of second wave feminism.

Why in the world should male voters, in particular white male voters should vote for Democrats when the progressive liberals have made it the party line that all males and especially white male voters are all bigots, racist, misogynists and the root cause of all the words problems and clearly men are not needed.

How in the world can Democrats advance such ignorant and obviously not true ideologies and expect working class make voters to believe they have their best interests at heart when they consistently denigrate men for being born male. They are fed up by the contempt second wave feminist have for men and their entitled and disrespectful attitudes towards men.

In short, Democrats do need to look in the mirror and understand that the current Democratic Party current coalition of the educated and diversity is a failed coalition.

The Domacratic party needs to reject the progressive wing of their party from leadership roles and return them to where they belong in any of our two parties with a minority faction with extreme ideas as back benchers with a whole bunch of bad ideas and the occasional good idea and return the party to its traditional bread and butter economic policies that made the Democratic Party, post Great Depression, a powerful force for working class voters, minorities and the disadvantaged.

If the Democratic Party does not come to the conclusion that progressive liberal policies are the primary reason for their election failures during this period of major realignment between the parties then rest assured they will become a minority party in governance for a generation or more.

That’s not to say the GOP doesn’t have its own problems with this realignment precipitated by the Trump era. They are now a populist political party lead by a Demogogue with no respect for traditional American institutions of government and the limits on their power which, and rightfully so, scare the shit out of a hell of a lot of voters. On top of that they will have the same problems that all populist political parties have of making a lot of promises to their constituents that they cannot or will not deliver on but that’s a different story.
 
I don’t disagree with any of this. In fact this is the biggest shift in the coalitions in my lifetime. Even bigger than the shift caused by Nixon’s Souther strategy. From where I sit it’s even kind of silly to even identify as a Democrat or Republican as this major shift is still under way and both parties are in chaos and will be until this realignment has completed.

One thing is clear is that male voters across the board are just completely fed up with the Democratic Party who’s composition was predominantly moderate liberals but has been dominated by the progressive radical wing of the Democratic Party.

For quite a few decades and beginning with the Clinton administration the Democratic Party has ignored working class voters, fed them crumbs, stood by and did nothing while Republicans turned our government into an oligarchy ruled by the wealthiest billionaire class, have done nothing to fight economic inequality as for decades virtually all the economic gains and productivity have gone exclusively to the wealthiest Americans while middle and working class wages have stagnated and been eaten away by inflation.

Having said that this isn’t even the Primary reason working class voters, both blue and white collar workers are fed up with Democratic leadership.

The real reason is working class male voters are absolutely fed up with progressive liberals. Even minority male workers are fed up with progressives.

They are fed up with Identity politics, they are fed up with condescending DEI policies. They are fed up with Wokeism and cancel culture, they are fed up with our education system being dominated by academics with Mickey Mouse Humanity degrees but most of all male voters are fed up to hell with second wave feminism which is one of the strongest reason why male voters are absolutely fed up with the malignant bigotry of second wave feminism.

Why in the world should male voters, in particular white male voters should vote for Democrats when the progressive liberals have made it the party line that all males and especially white male voters are all bigots, racist, misogynists and the root cause of all the words problems and clearly men are not needed.

How in the world can Democrats advance such ignorant and obviously not true ideologies and expect working class make voters to believe they have their best interests at heart when they consistently denigrate men for being born male. They are fed up by the contempt second wave feminist have for men and their entitled and disrespectful attitudes towards men.

In short, Democrats do need to look in the mirror and understand that the current Democratic Party current coalition of the educated and diversity is a failed coalition.

The Domacratic party needs to reject the progressive wing of their party from leadership roles and return them to where they belong in any of our two parties with a minority faction with extreme ideas as back benchers with a whole bunch of bad ideas and the occasional good idea and return the party to its traditional bread and butter economic policies that made the Democratic Party, post Great Depression, a powerful force for working class voters, minorities and the disadvantaged.

If the Democratic Party does not come to the conclusion that progressive liberal policies are the primary reason for their election failures during this period of major realignment between the parties then rest assured they will become a minority party in governance for a generation or more.

That’s not to say the GOP doesn’t have its own problems with this realignment precipitated by the Trump era. They are now a populist political party lead by a Demogogue with no respect for traditional American institutions of government and the limits on their power which, and rightfully so, scare the shit out of a hell of a lot of voters. On top of that they will have the same problems that all populist political parties have of making a lot of promises to their constituents that they cannot or will not deliver on but that’s a different story.
Whether I agree or disagree with you Mott I appreciate you because you're real and I miss your opinions.

You are not wrong that there is a realignment that seems to be occurring. Where it ends we don't know but traditional labels are changing and you gave a great breakdown of why.

I have to run but I hope you come back because would love to discuss this with you further.
 
Whether I agree or disagree with you Mott I appreciate you because you're real and I miss your opinions.

You are not wrong that there is a realignment that seems to be occurring. Where it ends we don't know but traditional labels are changing and you gave a great breakdown of why.

I have to run but I hope you come back because would love to discuss this with you further.
Thanks Wacko. I have had some serious issues, not health related, going on in my personal life that are distracting me from such activities as posting on political forums but I will try to stop by here more often.
 
Thanks Wacko. I have had some serious issues, not health related, going on in my personal life that are distracting me from such activities as posting on political forums but I will try to stop by here more often.
Damn man, hope everything ends up ok.

There's a podcast I listen to where a guy named Daniel Bessner is an occasional guest. Bessner is a history professor at Univ of Washington, intellectual and what in the past we would call a man of the left (to him Bernie is a centrist). I hold very different beliefs than him but I find him interesting nonetheless and he very much holds Bernie's vision of a working class coalition and despises that, in his opinion, the Democrats have turned their party (the insiders who run it) over to the professional managers (all college degreed folks who live comfortable lives and are out of touch with the working class).

Like you referenced he talks about Clinton and this move by the party to neoliberalism. But my question to you is this. With the growth of technology and globalization times had to change right? They mentioned something like 8% of jobs today (in America) are in manufacturing. You have both parties saying they want to bring manufacturing jobs back but how realistic is that? It's like trying to turn the economy back 50 years, which doesn't seem possible.

What's the future in that regard?
 
I don’t disagree with any of this. In fact this is the biggest shift in the coalitions in my lifetime. Even bigger than the shift caused by Nixon’s Souther strategy. From where I sit it’s even kind of silly to even identify as a Democrat or Republican as this major shift is still under way and both parties are in chaos and will be until this realignment has completed.

One thing is clear is that male voters across the board are just completely fed up with the Democratic Party who’s composition was predominantly moderate liberals but has been dominated by the progressive radical wing of the Democratic Party.

For quite a few decades and beginning with the Clinton administration the Democratic Party has ignored working class voters, fed them crumbs, stood by and did nothing while Republicans turned our government into an oligarchy ruled by the wealthiest billionaire class, have done nothing to fight economic inequality as for decades virtually all the economic gains and productivity have gone exclusively to the wealthiest Americans while middle and working class wages have stagnated and been eaten away by inflation.

Having said that this isn’t even the Primary reason working class voters, both blue and white collar workers are fed up with Democratic leadership.

The real reason is working class male voters are absolutely fed up with progressive liberals. Even minority male workers are fed up with progressives.

They are fed up with Identity politics, they are fed up with condescending DEI policies. They are fed up with Wokeism and cancel culture, they are fed up with our education system being dominated by academics with Mickey Mouse Humanity degrees but most of all male voters are fed up to hell with second wave feminism which is one of the strongest reason why male voters are absolutely fed up with the malignant bigotry of second wave feminism.

Why in the world should male voters, in particular white male voters should vote for Democrats when the progressive liberals have made it the party line that all males and especially white male voters are all bigots, racist, misogynists and the root cause of all the words problems and clearly men are not needed.


How in the world can Democrats advance such ignorant and obviously not true ideologies and expect working class make voters to believe they have their best interests at heart when they consistently denigrate men for being born male. They are fed up by the contempt second wave feminist have for men and their entitled and disrespectful attitudes towards men.

In short, Democrats do need to look in the mirror and understand that the current Democratic Party current coalition of the educated and diversity is a failed coalition.

The Domacratic party needs to reject the progressive wing of their party from leadership roles and return them to where they belong in any of our two parties with a minority faction with extreme ideas as back benchers with a whole bunch of bad ideas and the occasional good idea and return the party to its traditional bread and butter economic policies that made the Democratic Party, post Great Depression, a powerful force for working class voters, minorities and the disadvantaged.

If the Democratic Party does not come to the conclusion that progressive liberal policies are the primary reason for their election failures during this period of major realignment between the parties then rest assured they will become a minority party in governance for a generation or more.

That’s not to say the GOP doesn’t have its own problems with this realignment precipitated by the Trump era. They are now a populist political party lead by a Demogogue with no respect for traditional American institutions of government and the limits on their power which, and rightfully so, scare the shit out of a hell of a lot of voters. On top of that they will have the same problems that all populist political parties have of making a lot of promises to their constituents that they cannot or will not deliver on but that’s a different story.
I'm responding this time to the bolded. One of the several reasons I never voted for Trump was his racial rhetoric and the belief that it would set the Republican Party even further back with minorities than we already were. Yet in 2024 he gained with Latino, black and Asian voters (and possibly Jewish voters depending on the poll). And Democrats are calling these BIPOC folks racists, deplorables etc. etc.

And you're right about DEI. On the surface I think a number of people can look at DEI and have agreement (with at least some of it). But like any number of things, it can also go to far. And I think we've seen that, hence the pushback. But those who pushback, even minorities, are called white supremacists. Most people don't want to be called racist (at least white people) but at a certain these terms start to lose meaning with their overuse. The proverbial boy who cried wolf.
 
This is one of the best threads I have ever seen on JPP. Thoughtful, respectful, realistic, and grounded in facts. Or at least opinions that can be supported by facts.

The intellectual assessment of this election will continue for a very long time. Yes, I think the Democrats messed up in a lot of ways. They usually do.

Biden was not a viable reelection candidate and held on until a disastrous performance on an international stage. Picking Harris as his replacement simply because she is the VP would not have been necessary if Biden and the DNC had allowed an open primary.

Identity politics is still interesting to me because there is a necessary conflict between what the Woke call privilege and the defensiveness that causes in the majority because not all of their lives are easy. We have not resolved minority discrimination in this country.

The most concerning part of this election for me is that the Republican party chose Trump. Everything above withstanding, the man is not qualified to lead a country. He hurts people, demeans and degrades them, lies as often as he speaks, and encourages the worst instincts in other people.

Trump won the election, but the country lost in an horrific campaign. The ongoing rhetoric leads me to believe that things will get much, much worse before they get better, but maybe some of us can still seek out the redeeming qualities in ourselves and others.
 
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