The new Pope... is.....

Jarod

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I am making a prediction...

Now, if I am wrong, I want to point out that this is not based on polling data or professional insider information..... so dont call me a liar or compare me to Fox News when they predicted Romney would landslide Obama...

We are going to get an Italian Pope! He will be very conservative.

I base this on... The moves that are being taken internally at the vadican to consolidate the vote and make the election earlier rather than later. The statement from the Vadican that the investigation into the leak scandal WILL ONLY BE SEEN BY THE CURRENT POPE AND THE NEXT POPE. How does the Vadican know that data will be kept secret unless they are sure the Pope will be a conservative?

There is a clear effort to oust votes and allow only certian Cardinals a vote.

I hope for a Pope from the West who is a reformer... I simply see to much of an effort to prevent that from happening coming from the current Vadican to hold out much hope.

What do you think?
 
I am making a prediction...

Now, if I am wrong, I want to point out that this is not based on polling data or professional insider information..... so dont call me a liar or compare me to Fox News when they predicted Romney would landslide Obama...

We are going to get an Italian Pope! He will be very conservative.

I base this on... The moves that are being taken internally at the vadican to consolidate the vote and make the election earlier rather than later. The statement from the Vadican that the investigation into the leak scandal WILL ONLY BE SEEN BY THE CURRENT POPE AND THE NEXT POPE. How does the Vadican know that data will be kept secret unless they are sure the Pope will be a conservative?

There is a clear effort to oust votes and allow only certian Cardinals a vote.

I hope for a Pope from the West who is a reformer... I simply see to much of an effort to prevent that from happening coming from the current Vadican to hold out much hope.

What do you think?

All Cardinals under 80 years of age get a vote. They will not change this. I predict a black pope.
 
The new pope will be Catholic and male.

Out on a limb there? I dont know, Fox is reporting a Mormon is the most likely to win.... in a landslide.

Rove has the Republican Math numbers to prove it....!
 
The best Vegas odds are as follows:

(3:1 - Ghana) Peter Turkson

(4:1 - Nigeria) Francis Arinze

(4:1 - Italy) Angelo Scola

No one else appears to come this close.
 
The best Vegas odds are as follows:

(3:1 - Ghana) Peter Turkson

(4:1 - Nigeria) Francis Arinze

(4:1 - Italy) Angelo Scola

No one else appears to come this close.
I dont trust the vegas odds as much as I would in a presidental election because we have less data to figure out the oucome... but Id be interested in how much Scola's odds have improved since the conclave was moved up to an earlier date.
 
I got this in email and am posting the relevant part.

The Benedictines have a saying about the selection of a new abbot: The abbot should be ne nimis sapiens, ne nimis sanctus, et ne nimis sanus -- not too healthy, not too wise and not too holy. In other words, they should select a regular guy. That's what I hope for: a regular guy.

What does that mean in the context of the College of Cardinals? They are 120 guys, all pretty much cut from the same clerical cloth. They are all older men and accomplished church politicians who have been serving in church offices, where everyone is Catholic and everyone deferential.

But I hope we get somebody who has at least some experience as a parish priest. I hope we get someone who has heard confessions and done marriage counseling, been on youth retreats and done marriage prep. It would be nice if he had the experience of being alone in a parish where he had to do all the liturgies, week after week, and struggled to inspire the same people with his preaching. I hope he has had to explain the teaching of the faith to skeptical youth and angry adults. I hope he has had to deal with divorced people.

I hope we get somebody who has not lived exclusively in the world of chancery offices where people give him deference and obedience all the time. I hope we get someone who has dialogued with evangelicals, Muslims and atheists as equals. It would be nice if he has a few friends who are Protestant clergy and he has come to respect them as intelligent and sincere Christians, every bit as saved as he is.

I hope we get someone from a big family, with many brothers and sisters. I hope he has a lot of nieces and nephews who have challenged him around the dinner table and in family gatherings. Maybe some of them have married outside the church or have left the church to join other religions. He has attended their weddings only as a family member. Perhaps one of those nieces and nephews has come out to him as gay and he has had to love them still.

I hope he has several strong-willed and outspoken biological sisters who have more than a streak of feminism. Maybe they have told their brother that they use birth control. Maybe they have responsible and substantial careers outside the home where women are the boss.

I hope he is a man who has many old friends. That he has kept his friends since childhood and that some of the people on his Christmas card list still call him by his first name. Maybe some of them can still remind him of the stupid things he did or impetuous statements he made in his youth. There is nothing like an old friend to bring you down to earth.

I hope we get somebody who is in touch with his own humanity. It would be nice if he was a man who admits that he, too, is a sexual being who has struggled with human desires and impulses like everybody else.

I hope we get a man with a sense of humor. It would be nice if he was not too much of ninny. He might even be able to tell a joke once in a while and laugh at himself.

I hope we get somebody who puts on his pants one leg at a time. In fact, it would be nice if he would wear pants. Clerics should leave behind the silly affectation of dressing like they are still living in some Renaissance villa or a Baroque painting.

I hope we get a man who knows what it is like to be poor. It would be nice if he has dealt with the homeless and drug addicts and the sick for a few years of his life. It would be good if he has had to struggle like the rest of humanity for his daily bread. It would be nice if he has held a job and had to pay his own bills.

Maybe the cardinals could look around the room and perhaps even look outside the room for the new pope. There is nothing in canon law that says they have to elect a cardinal.

One thing is for sure: We need to try something new if the church is to be revived. What Yogi Berra said about baseball managers is also true about the cardinals' choice: "If you do what you have always done, you are going to get what you have always got."

http://ncronline.org/blogs/parish-diary/parish-priests-hopes-next-pope
 
Maybe they should elect Obama. I am sure he would accept.

Accepto, but where would he live. IT would be difficult to split his time between the White House and the vatcan. What about his duties as a Muslam? Has the Catholic Church ever had an African born Pope?
 
lets all hold hands and believe in a religion based on doctrine while simultaneous ignoring the doctrine when it is inconvenient to us... which makes the point of this whole charade, what exactly? Who cares! Lets sing kumbya!

awful, sappy, bullshit.

I hope we get someone who has dialogued with evangelicals, Muslims and atheists as equals.


As a self avowed atheist, I do not desire this. I want someone that believes in something and is true to their core, not opportunist based on the whims of the feeble-minded public. I do not want a world of hypocrites, a world of weak minds, a world of spectres fluttering about, with no aim, not particular direction, and no TEETH.

I want someone with their feet planted firmly in the ground. I want an opponent. I want an adversary.

I will always respect those with core conviction infinitely more than those that would reject what they believe to be the word of their almighty god in exchange for political and social accolades in the form of a mild applause or a gold star sticker for most improved.
 
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