The presidency is now a criminal conspiracy
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blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Since your pilot friend isn't here .. ask these guys what they think ...
We stand with the Scholars, Veterans and Architects & Engineers for Truth along side family members of the victims -- family members of soldiers who have made the ultimate sacrifice -- including the many Ground Zero workers who are now ill or have passed away, when we ask for a true, new independent investigation into the events of 9/11. We do not accept the 9/11 Commission Report and/or "hypothesis" as a satisfactory explanation for the sacrifice every American has made and continues to make -- some more than others. --- Pilots for 9/11 Truth
Which includes pilots like ..
Col Robert Bowman
President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies
Executive Vice President of Millennium III Corporation
retired Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church
Flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam
Directed all the “Star Wars” programs under Presidents Ford and Carter
Recipient of the Eisenhower Medal
George F. Kennan Peace Prize
President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace
Society of Military Engineers' ROTC Award of Merit (twice)
Six Air Medals
Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech
Chaired 8 major international conferences and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security
and ..
Guy S. Razer, LtCol, USAF (Ret)
3,500+ Hours Total Flight Time
F-15E/C, F-111A/D/E/F/EF, F-16, F-18, B-1, Mig-29, SU-22, T-37/38, Various Cvilian Prop
Combat Time: Operation Northern Watch
USAF Fighter Weapons School Instructor
NATO Tactical Leadership Program Instructor/Mission Coordinator
USAF Material Command Weapons Development Test Pilot
Combat Support Coordination Team 2 Airpower Coordinator, South Korea
All Service Combat Identification Evaluation Team Operations Officer
Boeing F-22 Pilot Instructor
MS Aeronautical Studies, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
and ..
Jeff Latas
Over 20 years in the USAF
USAF Accident investigation Board President
Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E
Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch
Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon
Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level
Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways
and ..
Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret)
30,000+ Total Flight Time
707, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777
Pan Am, United
United States Air Force (ret)
Over 100 Combat Missions Flown
Has time in:
- N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
- N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)
Wittenberg had this to say .. "The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn."…
"For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible - there is not one chance in a thousand," said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727's to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737's through 767's it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying." http://www.arcticbeacon.com
and there are lots more of them ..
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html
That's just one of the groups of pilots, here's another
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
Here are some scientists and engineers you might want to question
http://www.physics911.net/sagadevan
See if this article can shed some light on why 19 cavemen can't fly heavy sophistcated aircraft FLAWLESSLY without traning ...
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=5115
Don't want to turn this into a 9/11 thread, but the point I'm making is that all the experts aren't on the side of the fairy-tale. All the dissenting voices to it aren't coming from Rosie O'Donnell, Charlie Sheen, liberals, or democrats.
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The Almighty
Nope. Not a chance. I challenge you to post all the links... if you can find any. 9/11 was a conspiracy perpetrated by the evil Lord Kraug from the distant galaxy of Xenophobia. Those "cavemen" were simply under the influence of his mind control device and THAT is how they were able to fly a plane into a building. We all know that no one could actually fly a plane in the sky and hit two of the tallest buildings in a city. It had to be mind control and Kraug is the only one who has such technology and the will to use it.
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The Almighty
Bottom line, the one thing we have learned from this thread is that BAC is a racist. He seems to be of the impression that arabs are all ignorant backwater fools incapable of intelligent thought or learning. Sounds kind of familiar to the line of thought other racist bastards had against blacks.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I have no doubt that you could .. which kinda' makes my point.
Just because you can find those links and/or you believe the official story/fairy-tale, does not in any way, shape, or form mean that you are correct in what you believe. Don't pretend that the experts back what you believe when there are experts that say the fairy-tale is impossible.
My point was never that the left should do anything because the right did it. My point is that the right is not the exclusive proprietor of truth, in fact, they seem a stranger to it.
I don't support people like the man-thing known as Ann Coulter .. not because she'a a man-thing, but because she's a liar.
Why does she have an Adam's Apple?
My side has the actual peer-reviewd papers published in scientific journals.
Yours has a professor of Dentistry on its side.
Here is a lovely site created to debunk most of the myths associated to 9/11.
http://www.debunking911.com/
First (one we have seen right here in this thread) the "caveman" theory.
http://www.debunking911.com/osama.htm
Second the "First time in history a steel building collapsed because of fire" myth.
http://www.debunking911.com/firsttime.htm
(This one even includes buildings that were steel frame, like the McCormick Center in Chicago, that have collapsed due to fire in the past. It is simply, directly, and most eggregiously a total myth. It even explains the nature of the many structural issues with Building 7).
Third, the "they collapsed into their own footprint and it was therefore a demolition" myth.
http://www.debunking911.com/towers.htm
The towers fell that way because there was no other way they could fall. It was required to build them that way to get permission to build them to begin with.
And so forth.
These "theories" use the human evolutionary effect of believing what you cannot see, the same one that theocrats use. Read, "The God Part of the Mind", for more information on what I am speaking of here. It attempts to use the very "fear tactic" crap that you supposedly despise in others.
Read up on it.
None of these "theories" have passed any peer-reviewed in a respected scientific journal.... unlike those who are able to debunk these "theories".
Here is a link to actual peer-reviewed pieces as well as some videos that may help you understand.
http://www.debunking911.com/links.htm
It also has a ton of debunking sites on there, you can continue to read and educate yourself to your heart's content. I suspect that you will not, though.
Yours has a professor of Dentistry on its side.
Here is a lovely site created to debunk most of the myths associated to 9/11.
http://www.debunking911.com/
First (one we have seen right here in this thread) the "caveman" theory.
http://www.debunking911.com/osama.htm
Second the "First time in history a steel building collapsed because of fire" myth.
http://www.debunking911.com/firsttime.htm
(This one even includes buildings that were steel frame, like the McCormick Center in Chicago, that have collapsed due to fire in the past. It is simply, directly, and most eggregiously a total myth. It even explains the nature of the many structural issues with Building 7).
Third, the "they collapsed into their own footprint and it was therefore a demolition" myth.
http://www.debunking911.com/towers.htm
The towers fell that way because there was no other way they could fall. It was required to build them that way to get permission to build them to begin with.
And so forth.
These "theories" use the human evolutionary effect of believing what you cannot see, the same one that theocrats use. Read, "The God Part of the Mind", for more information on what I am speaking of here. It attempts to use the very "fear tactic" crap that you supposedly despise in others.
Read up on it.
None of these "theories" have passed any peer-reviewed in a respected scientific journal.... unlike those who are able to debunk these "theories".
Here is a link to actual peer-reviewed pieces as well as some videos that may help you understand.
http://www.debunking911.com/links.htm
It also has a ton of debunking sites on there, you can continue to read and educate yourself to your heart's content. I suspect that you will not, though.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Once again you make my point, and once again you claim that your experts are bigger than other experts .. yet you can't answer a question as simple as why did the Bush Administration remove and destroy critical evidence.
How many experts do you need to figure that out?
You know what's missing in your 9/11 debunker link? .. Who are we.
I'm betting that who they are is the same experts who presented all manner of expert opinion and analysis about how Saddam possessed WMD.
Are Col. Bowman, Cpt. Wittenberg, and the other pilots, "dentists" ???
Do you think they have earned an expert opinion of flying heavy aircraft .. you know .. given that they flew 100's of combat missions?
There ain't a damn thing more correct about what you believe about 9/11 than anyone else my brother .. that's just the bullshit you choose to believe.
Just like with Global Warming, I will choose the side of the peer-reviewed over the side of those with experts that include the Professor of Dentistry who claims to be a structural engineer.
I will believe a pilot I know personally over one who wants desperately to pretend beyond all reliable science that it couldn't be "done". Seriously, the Conspiracy couldn't have been "done" without myriad co-conspirators. There long ago would have been a smoking gun with that many moving parts. The lack of one is one strong piece of evidence that paranoia and fear-mongering are not working in this one.
And, as I predicted, while I read your sites before you didn't bother to educate yourself one iota.
You prove my point as well. When the peer-reviewed science doesn't meet your needs you are just as willing as global-warming deniers to pretend that it doesn't matter that they are not peer-reviewed.
Go to Salon, check out the "Ask a Pilot" area. Amazingly every person that I know to be an actual pilot agrees with them. While the only pilots I can find disagreeing are on non-peer reviewed conspiracy sites that hold such flimsy evidence that they haven't even submitted one paper to peer reviewed publications.