The Preterist Approach to Revelation

Read the scripture that you are quoting in context.

Jesus is saying "You are not the righteous just because you descend of Abraham, if you not also behave like that".

Reversing that to say Jews are "children of Satan" in general is basically the thing he tries to refute here, in reverse.

The Jews claimed to be God's people because of their lineage. Jesus told them they were Satan's people, because they rejected Him, and natural lineage means nothing. (Today's Jews have no evidence of natural linage. They call themselves Jews because they hate Jesus. Go find a Jew to talk to, he'll set you straight.)

Your interpretation is BS, "You are not the righteous just because you descend of Abraham, if you not also behave like that." You imply here that their lineage counts as something, but Jesus counted it as nothing. You also imply "behave like that" doesn't equate with loving Jesus when loving Jesus is exactly what Jesus pointed out is behaving like Abraham.
 
The Jews claimed to be God's people because of their lineage. Jesus told them they were Satan's people, because they rejected Him, and natural lineage means nothing. (Today's Jews have no evidence of natural linage. They call themselves Jews because they hate Jesus. Go find a Jew to talk to, he'll set you straight.)

Your interpretation is BS, "You are not the righteous just because you descend of Abraham, if you not also behave like that." You imply here that their lineage counts as something, but Jesus counted it as nothing. You also imply "behave like that" doesn't equate with loving Jesus when loving Jesus is exactly what Jesus pointed out is behaving like Abraham.

Half the people I know and see every day are Jews. You are a victim of poor scholarship. Where on earth such crap?
 
I take the preterist view in my interpretation of revelation. I believe everything in it has happened except the end. I also believe strongly in the overarching message ... that God’s people will be victorious in the end.
 
Half the people I know and see every day are Jews. You are a victim of poor scholarship. Where on earth such crap?

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me..."

Have you ever posted anything more pathetic than appealing to the number of Jews who claim to know (either to interpret an NT verse critical of the Jews or to defend your ignorance about Jews which no Jew believes)? Oh yes, when you follow it up by accusing me of poor scholarship! What have all those Jews told you? NOTHING.

Do Jews love Jesus?

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Their Talmud tells Jews that Jesus is in boiling excrement.
 
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me..."

Have you ever posted anything more pathetic than appealing to the number of Jews who claim to know (either to interpret an NT verse critical of the Jews or to defend your ignorance about Jews which no Jew believes)? Oh yes, when you follow it up by accusing me of poor scholarship! What have all those Jews told you? NOTHING.

Do Jews love Jesus?

This object is currently hanging in an Israeli museum:

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Their Talmud tells Jews that Jesus is in boiling excrement.


Do you even know what the Talmud is?
 
'Revelation' ... is only to the First Person. After that, it is Hearsay to all the rest of us. Plus, translations through the ages are a problem.


The preterist approach to Revelation is most clearly contrasted with the futurist approach.

According to the preterist approach, most of the prophecies in the book of Revelation were fulfilled not long after John wrote.v

In other words, their fulfillment is past from the perspective of the twenty-first century.vi The fourth major approach to the book is the idealist or symbolic approach.

According to this view, Revelation does not contain prophecies of specific historical events. Instead, it uses symbols to express timeless principles concerning the conflict between good and evil.


Until recently these various approaches have been considered by most to be mutually exclusive. A number of scholars, however, have begun to propose a fifth approach, which may be termed the eclectic approach. As one proponent of this view explains, “The solution is to allow the preterist, idealist, and futurist methods to interact in such a way that the strengths are maximized and the weaknesses minimized.”vii One of the first to espouse such an approach was George Ladd.

He concluded that the correct method of interpreting the book of Revelation was to blend the futurist and preterist methods.viii He has been followed in this basic eclectic approach, although with different emphases, by a number of scholars including Gregory Beale, Grant Osborne, and Vern Poythress.ix


Because the approach one takes to the book of Revelation dramatically affects one’s exegetical conclusions, it is necessary that I explain the reasons I take the approach I do. I believe that the book itself demands a basically preterist approach.

This does not mean that all of the prophecies in the book have already been fulfilled. Some of the prophecies in Revelation (e.g., 20:7–22:21) have yet to be fulfilled, but many, if not most, of the prophecies in the book have been fulfilled.


My approach then may be considered as essentially preterist.x


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https://www.ligonier.org/blog/preterist-approach-revelation-unfolding-biblical-eschatology/
 
'Revelation' ... is only to the First Person. After that, it is Hearsay to all the rest of us. Plus, translations through the ages are a problem.

Revelation was a letter written to 7 churches (Jewish communities) around the Med.

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Yes, the Talmud is the bible of the Jews. But, you know nothing about Jews. In monumental, willful ignorance, you think Jesus is Jew.

Nope.. That's not what the Talmud is. The Talmud is a collection of debates and discussions in which the classical rabbis engaged... Its commentaries... and originates from about 200 AD.

Most assuredly Jesus was a Jew ..
 
Revelation was written to seven churches and "churches" are not code words jewish communities.

Revelation wasn't written in English. It was written in Koine Greek... During the first Christian centuries, Jewish-Christians used houses of worship known in academic literature as synagogue-churches.

These were Jewish congregations.

The Greek word ‘ekklesia’ is found some 114 times in the New Testament, and it refers to an assembly, a gathering, a community, a congregation.
 
Nope.. That's not what the Talmud is. The Talmud is a collection of debates and discussions in which the classical rabbis engaged... Its commentaries... and originates from about 200 AD.

Most assuredly Jesus was a Jew ..

You are an idiot, Kudzu, a real idiot who doesn't know shit about Jews. The Wikidpedia entry the Talmud opens with, "The Talmud (/ˈtɑːlmʊd, -məd, ˈtæl-/; Hebrew: תַּלְמוּד talmūd) is the central text of Rabbinic Judaism and the primary source of Jewish religious law (halakha) and Jewish theology.

Kudzi-the-idiot dismisses the the Talmud as discussion and commentary. Wikipedia (which is accurate, here) calls the Talmud the central text of rabbinic Judaism and primary source of jewish theology. And, for calling Jesus a Jew, you are certainly headed to Hell, idiot.
 
Revelation wasn't written in English. It was written in Koine Greek... During the first Christian centuries, Jewish-Christians used houses of worship known in academic literature as synagogue-churches.

These were Jewish congregations.

The Greek word ‘ekklesia’ is found some 114 times in the New Testament, and it refers to an assembly, a gathering, a community, a congregation.

Kudzu the Idiot, yep, Revelation was written in Greek (the lingua franca of gentiles), not Hebrew, because the New Testament is for gentiles, not Jews. Idiot, the New Testament church, by definition, is not a Jewish institution. Idiot, where are any of these seven churches of Revelation called "synagogue-churches"? Idiot, Revelation calls Jews the synagogue of Satan.
 
Kudzu the Idiot, yep, Revelation was written in Greek (the lingua franca of gentiles), not Hebrew, because the New Testament is for gentiles, not Jews. Idiot, the New Testament church, by definition, is not a Jewish institution. Idiot, where are any of these seven churches of Revelation called "synagogue-churches"? Idiot, Revelation calls Jews the synagogue of Satan.

Greek was the Lingua Franca of the Jews.. It was the language of commerce.. Remember the Decapolis?

Alexander the Great conquered Jerusalem in 332 BC.

John of Patmos was a Jew and he borrowed Revelation from an earlier apocalyptic text.. They were very popular for about 300 years.

Most Jews have never read the Talmud.. Its volumes and volumes of commentary.

Rabbinic Judaism didn't exist until AFTER the destruction of the Temple and really didn't even begin to come into being until about 200 AD.

The Jewish followers of Jesus , later called Christians, fled to Pella to avoid the tribulation as Jesus had told them to do.
 
Greek was the Lingua Franca of the Jews.. It was the language of commerce.. Remember the Decapolis?

Indeed, Greek was the lingua franka of the Jews. Most Jews no longer spoke Hebrew by the first century. God had mostly finished with the Jews 400 years prior, all that was left for the linage of Jacob was the birth of Jesus. The loss of Hebrew reflects this.

John of Patmos was a Jew and he borrowed Revelation from an earlier apocalyptic text.. They were very popular for about 300 years.

kudzu the Idiot, what are you saying? That Revelation was written a couple centuries before Jesus?

Most Jews have never read the Talmud.. Its volumes and volumes of commentary.

Rabbinic Judaism didn't exist until AFTER the destruction of the Temple and really didn't even begin to come into being until about 200 AD.

Kudzu the Idiot, if Rabbinic Judaism didn't exist until after the destruction of the Temple, then why do you keep claiming Jesus and the Apostles were Jews when Rabbinic Judaism didn't exist at the time?

Kudzu the Idiot, it makes no difference that most Jews have never read the Talmud, their religion is still based on the Talmud just like the religion of Christians is based on the New Testament, even though most Christians have never read much of it. And, that Talmud "commentary" is still their bible.
 
Indeed, Greek was the lingua franka of the Jews. Most Jews no longer spoke Hebrew by the first century. God had mostly finished with the Jews 400 years prior, all that was left for the linage of Jacob was the birth of Jesus. The loss of Hebrew reflects this.



kudzu the Idiot, what are you saying? That Revelation was written a couple centuries before Jesus?



Kudzu the Idiot, if Rabbinic Judaism didn't exist until after the destruction of the Temple, then why do you keep claiming Jesus and the Apostles were Jews when Rabbinic Judaism didn't exist at the time?

Kudzu the Idiot, it makes no difference that most Jews have never read the Talmud, their religion is still based on the Talmud just like the religion of Christians is based on the New Testament, even though most Christians have never read much of it. And, that Talmud "commentary" is still their bible.


Temple Judaism existed long before Rabbinic Judaism. ... It was the end of the world for them. Rabbinic Judaism came into being after the tribulation and after the destruction of the Temple by Titus.

Yes, Revelation is much older.. Didn't you wonder about the ancient style of writing?

John of Patmos changed it a bit.
 
Temple Judaism existed long before Rabbinic Judaism. ... It was the end of the world for them. Rabbinic Judaism came into being after the tribulation and after the destruction of the Temple by Titus.

Yes, Revelation is much older.. Didn't you wonder about the ancient style of writing?

John of Patmos changed it a bit.

Revelation leans on the Old Testament, but if there's a BC text of a version of Revelation, let's have a link.

"Temple Judaism"? LOL The religion of the Old Testament needs no Temple.

You still lack the intelligence to understand: Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me..."
 
Revelation leans on the Old Testament, but if there's a BC text of a version of Revelation, let's have a link.

"Temple Judaism"? LOL The religion of the Old Testament needs no Temple.

You still lack the intelligence to understand: Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me..."

I already posted a link to the earlier Apocryphal writing.

Judaism was focused on the Temple..for sacrifice and sermons and ritual immersions. Have you never heard of the first and second temples? Have you ever been to the Holy Land?

Greek and Aramaic were in common usage long before the first century AD.

You are a pretty nasty old coot..

Why do you think Jesus wasn't a Jew?
 
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Judaism was focused on the Temple..for sacrifice and sermons and ritual immersions. Have you never herd of the first and second temples? Have you ever been to the Holy Land?

Greek and Aramaic were in common usage long before the first century AD.

You are a pretty nasty old coot..

The practices at the temple can be done elsewhere. There's no ordinance that a temple be used.

Jews hate Jesus, Jesus doesn't hate Jesus, therefor Jesus isn't a Jew. And, by your own confession, rabbinic judaism didn't exist in Jesus' day.

Why do you think Jesus wasn't a Jew?[/QUOTE]
 
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