So you’re OK with the president being allowed to manage the Message. I am very surprised.
Now you’re resorting to whataboutism.
The right cancels Kimmel
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Now you’re resorting to whataboutism.
Tobytone
Verified User
Have you not heard that many tv stations called and said they would not put him on air in their markets anymore. This isn't difficult to understand at all. I'm surprised you're struggling. I'll post this little reality check for all to see again.
Grok:
| Year | Average Total Viewers (Millions) | 18-49 Demo (Rating or Viewers) | Key Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2015 | 2.45 | 0.58 (rating) | Peak year; strong post-Oscars episodes and election buzz drove highs up to 3.5M+ for specials. Overall up ~10% from 2014. |
| 2016 | 2.52 | 0.62 (rating) | Election year surge; averaged 2.5M+, with monologues hitting 3M+. Best demo performance in franchise history. |
| 2017 | 2.10 | 0.48 (rating) | Post-election dip; down ~17% from 2016 peak, but still competitive vs. Colbert/Fallon. |
| 2018 | 1.95 | 0.42 (rating) | Continued slide amid Hollywood strikes and streaming rise; averaged ~2M, with some weeks as low as 1.7M. |
| 2019 | 1.82 | 0.38 (rating) | Down ~7% YoY; audience fatigue from repetitive political content noted in reports. |
| 2020 | 1.90 | 0.40 (rating; 250K viewers avg.) | Slight rebound from COVID election coverage; highs of 2.5M+ during conventions, but overall pandemic disruptions. |
| 2021 | 1.68 | 0.35 (rating; 220K viewers avg.) | Down ~12%; return to studio helped, but cord-cutting accelerated the decline. |
| 2022 | 1.55 | 0.32 (rating; 210K viewers avg.) | Further erosion; averaged 1.5M+, with Q4 lows around 1.4M amid midterm lulls. |
| 2023 | 1.42 | 0.28 (rating; 190K viewers avg.) | Sharp drop ~8%; writers' strike caused repeats, pulling averages below 1.5M. Season premiere was a bright spot at 1.8M. |
| 2024 | 1.35 | 0.25 (rating; 180K viewers avg.) | Continued decline; Q2 averaged 1.3M, with demo down 20% YoY. Some spikes from celebrity guests/Oscars. |
| 2025 (through Q3) | 1.25 | 0.22 (rating; 200K viewers avg.) | Lowest yet; Q1: 1.3M (down 24% from Q4 2024), Q2: 1.77M total but demo at 220K (stronger than Colbert briefly). September: 1.104M (down 11% MoM), amid suspension rumors and controversies. Overall -9% YoY industry-wide, but Kimmel's show down ~7-10% further. |
- Constant Slide? Yes, there's a clear downward trajectory: From ~2.5M average in 2016 to under 1.2M in 2025, representing a roughly 50% drop over the decade. The 18-49 demo (crucial for advertisers) has fallen even steeper, from 0.62 to 0.22—a 65% decline.
On top of the constant reduction of his products value, (ads time price drops) he managed to get the phone ringing with several of those poor bastards clinging to the hope their value purchase (again ad time during his show) would turn around refused to continue taking that chance. To keep him on air would be incredibly irrational and irresponsible.
How hard is that to understand???
After the FCC threatened them.
To bed, but now I’m up!Where did Jarod go
“You heard”! I have proved the FCC threatened them before the decision.
*sigh*
I am into not pretending that a decision by a corporation to go into full "burn it down" mode at the mildest suggestion by anyone is the decision of the company. This "message" was the company's choice. Out of literally an infinite range, including telling the FCC to bite them they chose to cancel rather than do what you think you would do.
You don't like that ABC chose this, I get that. However you aim your arrow at the wrong target.
ThatOwlWoman
Not Nice
It sounds like govt. censorhip. Why are you okay with that? Will you be okay with it the next time the head of the FCC is appointed by a (D) and tells Fox to cancel "Fox and Friends" because the POTUS dislikes what they say?
Tobytone
Verified User
Reality, try it.
This!!!!!
Rubbish.
What it sounds like is a company making a decision from a range that included telling the FCC to "bite me"....
You should be disappointed in Disney (they own ABC). They chose to burn that house over simply apologizing or even fighting.
The difference is the government ABC to fire Roseanne Barr. If they did that would be wrong.
Can you not see the difference?
So they could’ve gone to war with the SEC makes it not a violation of free speech?
You’re being disingenuous on this issue. You know better.
Tobytone
Verified User
Maybe you can't read. Ratings for sure, but TV stations pulling the plug? That goes from discounting his ad time to hemoraging money. Any responsible business owner is obligated to stop the bleeding.Yeah, I know. These "brain-trusts" like @Tobytone are trying to gaslight and say Kimmel was canceled for "ratings". trumptards are so adorable when they think their lies work
Also, you obviously have no idea what 'Gaslighting' means. It seems like you morons struggle with words far too often. Education system or mental illness or both. Try harder, there are plenty of ways to get help out there, use them.
No, they only threatened the owner of the show, and bullied them into pulling Kimmel
The government has no right to threaten people over free speech. You have lost a lot of credibility with me on this issue.
You know better.
The government should not impose consequences or threatened consequences for free speech.
Hypocrisy of bounds
If they are making decisions, based on a threat from the government over free speech, it does have to do with government power.
But you know that.
I don't think they would have had to. I continue to believe that there was a billion other choices they could have made short of cancelling Kimmel, that they went to full burn it down mode was because they believe that they would make more money without him.
He would, if it didn’t come from the Republicans.
After the company was threatened by the federal government.