dixon76710
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Usually when its US commerce in such countries its labeled as hegemony, imperialism and exploitation. Revealing that when the chinese do it, it is labeled soft power.
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Usually when its US commerce in such countries its labeled as hegemony, imperialism and exploitation. Revealing that when the chinese do it, it is labeled soft power.
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You're directing your questions to someone who's Chinese masters have named Low - a - IQ
blackascoal
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:0) You must be joking.
blackascoal
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Very well said good brother.
blackascoal
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Because the Chinese don't invade the country and slaughter its population, ie; Vietnam, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya .. to name a few.
You do know the history of our installation of the Shah of Iran, don't you?
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It's probably because they're to busy slaughtering the population of Tibet; but that's OK with you.
blackascoal
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It's probably because they're to busy slaughtering the population of Tibet; but that's OK with you.
I do indeed have a problem with the Chinese on Tibet.
Was the slaughter of the Vietnamese OK with you?
How about the slaughter of the Iraqis, Libyans, Iranians?
Do you have a problem with any of that?
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Since you made the choice to omit it, from you initial rant, it's apparent that it's not that important to you.
I'm not sure what you mean by your references; because it could imply that you are suggesting that it's happening as a majority reason of the war.
Does China's support to the leader of North Korea, who keeps his people in conditions worse then slavery, bother you?
Did you have a problem when China was supplying the North Vietnamese with the weapons to slaughter the South Vietnamese?
Do you have a problem with China and it's treatment of it's own people?
Do you have a problem with the slaughter of the Chinese, by the Japanese, during WW II?
Do you have a problem with the slaughter of the Polish, by the Germans, during WW II.
Do you hae a problem with the slaughter of the French, by the Germans, during WW II.
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dixon76710
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We dont do any commerce to any extent in any of those countries other than Iraq. And the Shah was installed when Britain and Soviet Union forced his father to abdicate the throne to his son.
Lowaicue
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Get lost grain brain. Your question was too stupid even to consider. Whether I can or cant, will or wont does not change the point that I made.
To avoid the pointing finger of guilt by trying to bend it away from you does not change the guilt.
Now for christssake grow another granule of grey matter.
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Aren't you forgetting about Mao who conservatively killed at least 45 million people during the Great Leap Forward. That was just in those four years between 1958-62, you can add a few more million for the Cultural Revolution.
Lowaicue
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They still have a policy of no military involvement. Mao's policies are said to have caused the deaths of up to 60 million. He did not kill them personally.
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You need to tell that to the Vietnamese and Filipinos who see China acting as big bully boy and attempting to claim the entire region's resources as their own.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/spratly-claims.htm
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North Korea would collapse without the support of China, mostly because they are terrified of a mass exodus of refugees.
blackascoal
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It appears that you could use a lesson in history ..
A History Lesson: U.S. Intervention in the Middle East Has Always Ended Up Being a Disaster for American Interests
Iran, 1953: When the government of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh nationalized the Anglo-Iranian oil company, the resulting sanctions on the country led by Great Britain and the United States resulted in economic hardship and political unrest. Fearing that such instability could result in a communist takeover and concerned about the precedent of nationalization on American oil companies elsewhere in the Middle East, agents of the Central Intelligence Agency organized a military coup in 1953, ousting the elected prime minister. The United States returned the exiled Shah to Iran, where he ruled with an iron fist for more than a quarter century. Tens of thousands of dissidents were tortured and murdered by his dreaded SAVAK secret police, organized and trained by the United States. The repression was largely successful in wiping out the democratic opposition. The SAVAK was less successful in infiltrating religious institutions, however, so when the revolution finally took place, toppling the Shah in 1979, the formerly secular Iran came under the leadership of virulently reactionary and anti-American Islamists. The result of the Islamic revolution was not only the end of one of America's strongest economic and strategic relationships in the Middle East, but also the hostage crisis of 1979-81, Iranian support for anti-American terrorist groups, and a series of armed engagements in the Persian Gulf during the 1980s. Had the United States not overthrown Iran's constitutional government in 1953 and replaced it with the dictatorial Shah, there would not have been the Islamic Revolution and its bloody aftermath.
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0210-07.htm
Here's another ...
Iran: A short account of 1953 Coup
Operation code-name: TP-AJAX
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php
... and another ..
blackascoal
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Nope .. didn't forget about Mao or the british invasion to force british opium dealers on the Chinese population.
Just like your original opinion. Perhaps next time you'll think before you type.... if that's even possible.
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The British used opium to subdue the Chinese masses, Mao just had them worked to near death, tortured and then killed. Where do you think Pol Pot got his ideas from?
blackascoal
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Mao was responsible for the deaths of his own people .. thus it was incumbent upon the Chinese people to get rid of him. He did not spread his terror all over the world .. and therein lies the difference.
"[Mao] turned China from a feudal backwater into one of the most powerful countries in the World ... The Chinese system he overthrew was backward and corrupt; few would argue the fact that he dragged China into the 20th century. But at a cost in human lives that is staggering."
— Mao Tse Tung: China's Peasant Emperor, A&E Biography, 2005
Lowaicue
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The answer lies in the tea.
Tea was imported into Britain in the 17C and was exceedingley expensive. It was paid for, as were all the accoutrements of tea, the pots, cups etc etc, in silver. Tea became synonymous with stately homes and parasols but its purchase endangered the stocks of silver held by Britain.
Meanwhile poppies were grown in India and produced opium, a medicine at that time. It was introduced to China and was used to get back the enormous quantities of silver held by the Chinese.
So the subjugation was the by product of capitalist trade.
The second Opium war, (also called the Arrow War, after a Chinese smuggling vessel the Arrow) came as a result of a complex series of raids and arrests of smugglers in victoria Harbour. The first 'blows' were by two drunken sailors out on the lash and wanting more beer. They walked into a small store, so the story goes, and demanded booze. The owner refused to serve them so they killed him!
Within a short while a British navy ship was firing onto the mainland of kowloon.
There is also an extensive official history which, I'm sure, formed the basis for countless stories of evil foreigners and deeds of derring-do. Part of which involves an island in the Pearl estuary, close to Hong Kong, but within the Chinese borders, called Ling Ding. Ling Ding was the hide out and centre for the opium smuggling trade into Guangzhou.
When I arrived in Hong Kong Ling Ding had a different claim to faim. It was, as I understand, almost entirely populated by prostitutes and brothels and was the only part of the Peoples Republic of Chine that foreigners could visit without a visa. A friend told me that when you get off the boat you just give the guy in uniform a few bucks and go ashore for the night. One of my regrets is that I never visited this place! Just as a tourist, you understand.