The Safety and Efficacy of Vaccines

[Scott]

As I already said, I don't believe that any vaccine prevents anything other than anxiety by those who believe it actually prevents them from getting a given disease. When it comes to polio specifically, I think the following post I wrote in this thread is good:

Post in thread 'The Safety and Efficacy of Vaccines'

Jan 14, 2023

Oh, I've already read about the Salk vaccine, the non government approved version. I'll quote a bit from an article on it. Keep in mind that I don't believe in viruses, so this whole "dead virus" bit isn't what I'm getting at, but rather what happened after its use.

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U.S. regulators fast-tracked the Salk vaccine in 1954, deliberating for just two hours before approving it for wide-scale use. Despite Salk’s belief that a “killed-virus” vaccine “could not accidentally cause polio in those inoculated,” the number of reported polio cases rose immediately and dramatically within...

• Scott

Have you been tracking claims that the flu shot sometimes helps with flu, but it certainly generally weakens the immune system so if you take one you can expect to be more sick than you would have been if you did not?

Thats Interesting.

And still the so called experts push them.

I don't believe that any vaccine helps with anything, but I can certainly believe that they can make any diseases you get worse. Incidentally, I made a thread on the flu vaccine. It can be seen here:

APP - Thread 'Does the flu vaccine do more harm than good?'

Feb 28, 2025

Recently, there was some discussion of the fact that the FDA cancelled a meeting to select flu Strains for next season’s flu Vaccine in a thread on whether or not the bird flu was fake. I thought the subject deserved its own thread, so I'm making this one and we'll see how it goes. I found what I believe was quite a good article on the subject from Children's Health Defense, which can be seen here:

FDA Calls Off Meeting to Select Flu Strains for Next Season’s Vaccine

The FDA on Monday sent members of its vaccine advisory committee an email canceling the meeting. The agency told CNN that it will “make public its recommendations to manufacturers in time for updated vaccines to be available for the 2025-2026 influenza season.”

childrenshealthdefense.org

I should say from the get go that I no longer believe that biological viruses exist, so...

• Scott
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[Scott]

Polio vaccines were real.

They were real in the sense that they were called polio vaccines. I've seen no solid evidence that they actually prevented polio. For that matter, I've seen no solid evidence that polio is even caused by an alleged polio virus. There's a good article on all of this here:

A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

childrenshealthdefense.org

 

[Scott]

Why the fuck would Mercury be in them?
I was playing with it in my hand and the parent in charge about had a heart attack!

The authors of "How vaccines wreck human immunity" get into that very question. Their answer:
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Mercury, being the most naturally occurring neurotoxic substance known to man, one would wonder why you would ever inject mercury into a living human being. You have been told it is a preservative. This is like calling cyanide a preservative! Deadly poisons do not preserve, but they do have another function in smaller dosages.

They literally shock the nervous system into reacting to the dead, or almost dead virus by producing antibodies.
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Source:
Stockwell CGP, Dr. Jack; Stockwell CGP, Mary. How Vaccines Wreck Human Immunity: A Forbidden Doctor Publication (1) (p. 28). (Function). Kindle Edition.

The authors also go into what many vaccine producers have replaced mercury with. Note that the authors of this book believe in biological viruses- I don't. The authors also assume that the vaccine makers are "laughing" about the notion of safe vaccines. I don't assume this to be the case, just that no vaccines are safe. Other than that, I think that their explanation of how vaccines work is pretty good. Quoting the bit where they talk about what mercury has been replaced with in many vaccines:
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So when they tell you they have taken out the mercury, they have only upped the content of aluminum and/or formaldehyde, and or polysorbate 40, etc., all of which are neurotoxic! So you are no safer. The vaccines are NOT “green.” That’s why vaccine makers laugh when people demand safer vaccines. That is the very purpose of the mercury or other adjuvants, to create a neural shock to the immune system! Without this chemical force the immune system would not recognize the dead or attenuated virus. So that is quite different than referring to mercury as a preservative.
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Source:
Stockwell CGP, Dr. Jack; Stockwell CGP, Mary. How Vaccines Wreck Human Immunity: A Forbidden Doctor Publication (1) (p. 28). (Function). Kindle Edition.

 

[Scott]

I never said they were incorrect. I said that I don't always -like- some of the definitions for words. Take the definition of vaccine from Cambridge:
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a substance that is put into the body of a person or animal to protect them from a disease by causing them to produce antibodies
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I don't believe that any vaccine actually fulfills this definition, but I respect this definition anyway, as this is how the word is defined. It is the correct definition, in the sense that this is how most people define vaccines, even if I don't believe that putting substances found in vaccines actually protects anyone from anything.

You don't believe?

That's right.

The polio vaccine does just what they definition says in 99% of the cases.

I've seen no solid evidence that they actually prevented polio. For that matter, I've seen no solid evidence that polio is even caused by an alleged polio virus. There's a good article on all of this here:

A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

childrenshealthdefense.org

 

[Hawkeye10]

That's right.



I've seen no solid evidence that they actually prevented polio. For that matter, I've seen no solid evidence that polio is even caused by an alleged polio virus. There's a good article on all of this here:

A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

childrenshealthdefense.org

That the polio vax did more harm than good is certainly something I have heard.

 

[Scott]

That the polio vax did more harm than good is certainly something I have heard.

I definitely think there's plenty of evidence to support this view. But finding this evidence does require a fair amount of reading. I suspect the article I linked to in the last post is perhaps the best place to start. For the audience, the article in question is here:

A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

childrenshealthdefense.org

 

[Hawkeye10]

I definitely think there's plenty of evidence to support this view. But finding this evidence does require a fair amount of reading. I suspect the article I linked to in the last post is perhaps the best place to start. For the audience, the article in question is here:

A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

childrenshealthdefense.org

The COVID Vax was an obvious fraud.

How far back does the vax fraud go?

I do not know.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Tangentially I have been told that every pandemic of the last 100 years was likely produced in a lab.

 

[Scott]

I definitely think there's plenty of evidence to support this view. But finding this evidence does require a fair amount of reading. I suspect the article I linked to in the last post is perhaps the best place to start. For the audience, the article in question is here:

A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

childrenshealthdefense.org

The COVID Vax was an obvious fraud.

How far back does the vax fraud go?

I do not know.

From what I've read, to the very beginning. I'd like to point out that by fraud, I mean that I don't believe vaccines have ever benefitted anyone. That doesn't mean that people who push them don't believe in them, it's just that their beliefs have no solid evidence behind them.

 

[Scott]

Tangentially I have been told that every pandemic of the last 100 years was likely produced in a lab.

I think you know that when it comes to biological viruses, I've stopped believing they actually exist as defined. I also think that while bacteria -do- exist, their importance in disease is grossly over estimated. I think the following article is good in providing evidence that virology is pseudoscience and it also goes some ways in providing evidence that bacteria are over rated as the true cause of most disease as well:

AntiViral Ep. 1: Virology — A Critique of Its Foundations

Where science ends, pseudoscience begins. Welcome to the first episode of the AntiViral series. Since this is the beginning, I thought it best to start with the core arguments against germ “theory” and virology—especially for newcomers. It’s striking how many who attack this position don’t...

viroliegy.com

 

[Hawkeye10]

I think you know that when it comes to biological viruses, I've stopped believing they actually exist as defined. I also think that while bacteria -do- exist, their importance in disease is grossly over estimated. I think the following article is good in providing evidence that virology is pseudoscience and it also goes some ways in providing evidence that bacteria are over rated as the true cause of most disease as well:

AntiViral Ep. 1: Virology — A Critique of Its Foundations

Where science ends, pseudoscience begins. Welcome to the first episode of the AntiViral series. Since this is the beginning, I thought it best to start with the core arguments against germ “theory” and virology—especially for newcomers. It’s striking how many who attack this position don’t...

viroliegy.com

Islamic Terrorism is fully a creation of the Imperial Empire intel services.

That the biological pandemic's have all been lab created rhymes.

 

[Hawkeye10]

From what I've read, to the very beginning. I'd like to point out that by fraud, I mean that I don't believe vaccines have ever benefitted anyone. That doesn't mean that people who push them don't believe in them, it's just that their beliefs have no solid evidence behind them.

They could not have possibly believed that the Death Jabs are a good thing.

And they are still available.

 

[Scott]

I think you know that when it comes to biological viruses, I've stopped believing they actually exist as defined. I also think that while bacteria -do- exist, their importance in disease is grossly over estimated. I think the following article is good in providing evidence that virology is pseudoscience and it also goes some ways in providing evidence that bacteria are over rated as the true cause of most disease as well:

AntiViral Ep. 1: Virology — A Critique of Its Foundations

Where science ends, pseudoscience begins. Welcome to the first episode of the AntiViral series. Since this is the beginning, I thought it best to start with the core arguments against germ “theory” and virology—especially for newcomers. It’s striking how many who attack this position don’t...

viroliegy.com

Islamic Terrorism is fully a creation of the Imperial Empire intel services.

That the biological pandemic's have all been lab created rhymes.

Well, I've seen no solid evidence that biological viruses exist, but no one I know denies that bacteria exist. I just think that their pathogenicity is over rated.

 

[Scott]

From what I've read, to the very beginning. I'd like to point out that by fraud, I mean that I don't believe vaccines have ever benefitted anyone. That doesn't mean that people who push them don't believe in them, it's just that their beliefs have no solid evidence behind them.

They could not have possibly believed that the Death Jabs are a good thing.

And they are still available.

I don't think that all covid vaccine pushers are the same. I think that some of them really do believe in them. I suspect I know some myself. But I also believe there are some who know full well that they're terrible, but still push the myth for their own benefit. I definitely suspect that some of the major shareholders in some vaccine companies are part of this group. There's a line from a documentary I saw a long time ago that I think is pretty good. In its original context, it talks about the excesses of christianity in history, but I think it can be applied to covid vaccine pushers and other covid measures too:
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...it empowers those who know the truth but use the myth to manipulate and control societies. The religious myth is the most powerful device ever created, and serves as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish.

A myth is an idea that, while widely believed, is false.
In a deeper sense, in the religious sense, a myth serves as an orienting and mobilizng story for people.
The focus is not on the story's relation to reality but on its function.
A story cannot function, unless it is believed to be true in the community or the nation.
It is not a matter of debate if some people have the bad taste to raise the question of the truth of the sacred story.
The keepers of the faith do not enter into the debate with them.
They ignore them, or denounce them as blasphemers.
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Source:

Zeitgeist: The Movie (2007) Movie Script | SS

Zeitgeist: The Movie (2007) Movie Script | SS

www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk

 

[Hawkeye10]

Camus
@newstart_2024


A chilling warning from Dr. William Makis that demands your attention. He reveals a critical and unaddressed danger: the mRNA vaccine platform, as confirmed by the CEOs of Pfizer and Moderna, is being locked in as the permanent model for all future products. The same lipid nanoparticle (LNP) delivery system, with all its known risks and instabilities, will not be changed or improved.Why? Because, as Dr. Makis asserts, the technology is working precisely as intended. The initial "strength" of the formula was adjusted not out of concern for safety, but to manage the immediate death rate, thereby masking a long-term, more insidious strategy.He outlines a harrowing thesis: the true objectives are a "slow blade" of depopulation, designed to manifest over time through:- Long-term cancer induction.- The culling of the elderly.- The sterilization of the young.This isn't a failed experiment; it is a deliberate, long-range plan. The rising numbers of excess deaths are not a bug in the system—they are a feature of its design. The population is beginning to erupt with the consequences, but the full scope is intended to unfold gradually, evading immediate detection.The warning has been issued. The question is, who is listening?

 

[Scott]

Camus
@newstart_2024


A chilling warning from Dr. William Makis that demands your attention. He reveals a critical and unaddressed danger: the mRNA vaccine platform, as confirmed by the CEOs of Pfizer and Moderna, is being locked in as the permanent model for all future products. The same lipid nanoparticle (LNP) delivery system, with all its known risks and instabilities, will not be changed or improved.Why? Because, as Dr. Makis asserts, the technology is working precisely as intended. The initial "strength" of the formula was adjusted not out of concern for safety, but to manage the immediate death rate, thereby masking a long-term, more insidious strategy.He outlines a harrowing thesis: the true objectives are a "slow blade" of depopulation, designed to manifest over time through:- Long-term cancer induction.- The culling of the elderly.- The sterilization of the young.This isn't a failed experiment; it is a deliberate, long-range plan. The rising numbers of excess deaths are not a bug in the system—they are a feature of its design. The population is beginning to erupt with the consequences, but the full scope is intended to unfold gradually, evading immediate detection.The warning has been issued. The question is, who is listening?

I'm skeptical of Dr. Makis' claims regarding intent, but I definitely believe that the Covid vaccines were quite harmful. Not the only harm though. A good article on all the harms from various Covid mandates and protocols:

Did the C19 vaccine kill 17 million? Yes, but how? Not what you think!

Clinical data proves lethality but not of this magnitude

denisrancourt.substack.com

 

[Hawkeye10]

I'm skeptical of Dr. Makis' claims regarding intent, but I definitely believe that the Covid vaccines were quite harmful. Not the only harm though. A good article on all the harms from various Covid mandates and protocols:

Did the C19 vaccine kill 17 million? Yes, but how? Not what you think!

Clinical data proves lethality but not of this magnitude

denisrancourt.substack.com

The theory that mRNA jabs cant ever be safe is one that I am following.....we were certainly heavily lied to about how the COVID jabs would work......it was immediately clear that what we were told was not true.

 

[Scott]

while nothing is 100% the polio vaccine prevents polio in 99% of the people who get the vaccine.

I remember the several kids with polio in my grade school, and knew of many others too sick to attend school. The polio vaccine was certainly welcome in our schools. Don't recall a single complaint about vaccinating us kids, not one. We knew there were some who experienced bad side effects, but we saw what happened to those who caught it, and we jumped at taking the vaccines. Same with diptheria, and tetanus. I went to a small school, and having 6 or so kids with it along with the more who couldn't even leave their beds was a big demographic then.

Late 1940s | Recommended Vaccines​

The vaccine everyone was waiting for — polio vaccine​

Parents were scared of the polio epidemics that occurred each summer; they kept their children away from swimming pools, sent them to stay with relatives in the country, and clamored for an understanding of the spread of polio. They waited for a vaccine, closely following vaccine trials and sending dimes to the White House to help the cause. When the polio vaccine was licensed in 1955, the country celebrated, and Jonas Salk, its inventor, became an overnight hero.

I suspect you never heard of Dr. Ralph Scobey. Quoting a passage on him:
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Poliomyelitis-like symptoms caused by poisoning

In 1951, Dr. Ralph R. Scobey published an article in Archives of Pediatrics, titled “Is the public health law responsible for the poliomyelitis mystery?”

In the article, Scobey investigated the evidence showing the contagiousness (or not) of poliomyelitis — and talked about how the research into complex causes of the disease had been decapitated once the “official” opinion was declared. Among other things, he stated the following:

“Unlimited poliomyelitis research ceased abruptly when this disease was legally made a communicable disease. However, definite progress toward a solution to the problem was being made before the public health law made poliomyelitis a germ or virus disease. For example, it was reported by toxicologists and bacteriologists that poliomyelitis could be produced both by organic and inorganic poisons as well as by bacterial toxins.

“The relationship of this disease to beriberi was also being given consideration. However, these investigations lost support when a germ or virus came to be considered by some to be the full and final answer to the problem. Funds for poliomyelitis research were from then on designated for the investigation of the infectious theory only.

“There are today many investigators who have strong evidence contradicting the infectious theory. Vitamin and mineral deficiency, poison, allergy and other theories are being presented to explain the mystery, but these men, because of the public health law and the limited ability to obtain funds or cooperation from any source cannot work freely on the problem of [the] cause of poliomyelitis.

“At one time or another the classical dietary deficiency diseases, beriberi and pellagra, and even sunstroke, have been considered to be communicable infectious diseases. If by law any one, or all of these diseases, had been made a reportable communicable disease, it is obvious that today it would legally be a germ disease and a search for the causative germ might still be in progress.

“If beriberi and pellagra had been made reportable communicable diseases, it is conceivable that the epochal studies on vitamins by Funk and subsequent workers could have been ignored in the search for the infectious agent as the etiological factor in these diseases. The progress of medicine would have been seriously retarded.

“The time is long past due for careful reappraisal of the poliomyelitis problem and for many capable workers with various opinions regarding the cause of the disease to be given the opportunity to work and the funds with which to work. The implications of the public health law that poliomyelitis is an infectious communicable disease must be reconsidered if progress is to be made.”
The Rockefeller brand

In his article, Scobey also mentioned that in 1911, Sachs [Sachs, B.: Am. J. Obst. & Gynec., 63: 703-710, April 1911] indicated that “Our present knowledge of the possible methods of contagion is based almost entirely upon the work done in this city at the Rockefeller Institute,” and that children afflicted with the disease were kept in general hospital wards and that not a single one of the other inmates of the wards of the hospital was affected with the disease — which of course contradicted the “viral” theory of polio.

I would also like to point out the fact that the Rockefeller family, in general, has in many ways set the foundations of modern medicine as we know it — by funding specifically the research that they favored, medical school curricula that helped them shape the medical thinking in a way that would help them make the most money and so on.

There is a reason why today’s petrochemicals-based medicine has earned the nickname of “Rockefeller medicine”!
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Source:

A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

childrenshealthdefense.org

The article has more to say regarding Dr. Scobey's research, as well some of the poisons that may well have been the true cause of the polio epidemic.

 

[Scott]

I never said they were incorrect. I said that I don't always -like- some of the definitions for words. Take the definition of vaccine from Cambridge:
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a substance that is put into the body of a person or animal to protect them from a disease by causing them to produce antibodies
**

I don't believe that any vaccine actually fulfills this definition, but I respect this definition anyway, as this is how the word is defined. It is the correct definition, in the sense that this is how most people define vaccines, even if I don't believe that putting substances found in vaccines actually protects anyone from anything.

This definition isn't the worst, but it's definitely lacking. For instance, it doesn't specify that "a substance" specifically contains an attenuated or inactive virus.

That's a feature, not a bug. For starters, I and others don't believe that biological viruses exist- if our belief is correct, it means that any vaccine claiming to contain an attenuated or inactive virus is false by default. But even for the majority who still believe in biological vaccines, it's acknowledged that not all vaccines even -claim- to have viruses of any kind. Pfizer claims there are 6 types of vaccine technologies:
1- Live attenuated vaccines
2- Inactivated vaccines
3- Subunit vaccines
4- Toxoid vaccines
5- Viral vector vaccines
6- Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines

Feel free to take a look at their definitions for each of these here:

Understanding Six Types of Vaccine Technologies | Pfizer

Ever since the first vaccine was developed in 1796 to treat smallpox,1 several different methods have been created to develop successful vaccines. Today, those methods, known as vaccine technologies, are more advanced and use the latest technology to help protect the world from preventable...

www.pfizer.com