The Safety and Efficacy of Vaccines

Into the Night said:
Scott said:
I definitely have my disagreements with @Into the Night, but I think it wouldn't help anyone if I didn't point out that we actually agree on some things when it comes to both the covid vaccines and the alleged Cov 2 virus. Below are quotes from 2 posts he's made in this thread:
Into the Night: "Covid19 does not kill."

Source: Post #31

Seeing as how I don't believe the Cov 2 virus exists, I definitely agree with that statement. I said as much in post #41.

Into the Night:
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The covid19 'vaccine' isn't a vaccine. It's a treatment. mRNA treatments are not a vaccine. It is designed to program cells to manufacture covid19 viruses.

Yes...Ivermectine does seem to be effective against covid19 infection.
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Source: Post #32

I didn't agree with everything he said there, but I did agree with some of it and definitely felt it merited a response, which I did in post #42.

For whatever reason, Into the Night never responded to either of my responses to these posts of his, but due to these posts of his, I believe that he actually does see some of the truth in regards to Covid 19 vaccines and at least doesn't see the alleged Cov 2 virus as deadly.
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There is no covid 19 vaccine. It's an mRNA treatment.
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2 points. First, not all covid vaccines are mRNA vaccines:

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Here’s a breakdown of the main types of COVID-19 vaccines that have been used around the world:


  1. mRNA vaccines
    • Examples: Pfizer-BioNTech (Comirnaty), Moderna (Spikevax)
    • How they work: Use messenger RNA to instruct cells to make the coronavirus spike protein, triggering an immune response.
  2. Viral vector vaccines
    • Examples: AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria), Johnson & Johnson (Janssen), Sputnik V
    • How they work: Use a harmless adenovirus (a different virus) to deliver genetic instructions for the spike protein.
  3. Protein subunit vaccines
    • Examples: Novavax (Nuvaxovid), Clover, and others
    • How they work: Contain purified pieces of the spike protein (not genetic material) to stimulate immunity.
  4. Inactivated or “killed virus” vaccines
    • Examples: Sinovac (CoronaVac), Sinopharm, Covaxin
    • How they work: Contain whole SARS-CoV-2 viruses that have been inactivated so they can’t cause infection.
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Source: ChatGPT

Second, whether mRNA injectables are considered to be vaccines depends on who you ask. I think it goes without saying that the companies that make them consider them to be vaccines, but here's evidence that one such company, Pfizer, clearly thinks this:
www.pfizer.com

Understanding Six Types of Vaccine Technologies | Pfizer

Ever since the first vaccine was developed in 1796 to treat smallpox,1 several different methods have been created to develop successful vaccines. Today, those methods, known as vaccine technologies, are more advanced and use the latest technology to help protect the world from preventable...
www.pfizer.com www.pfizer.com

At least one well known dictionary's definition of vaccines appears to agree with Pfizer as its definition appears to be sufficiently vague to allow all such vaccines:
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a substance that is put into the body of a person or animal to protect them from a disease by causing them to produce antibodies
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Source:
dictionary.cambridge.org

vaccine

1. a substance that is put into the body of a person or animal to protect them…
dictionary.cambridge.org dictionary.cambridge.org

I personally don't believe any vaccine actually protects anyone from anything, but I respect that this is the generally accepted definition of a vaccine.
 
Into the Night said:
Covid 19 (also known as SARS-CoV-2) is a real virus. It does not kill.
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Don't agree with your first statement, definitely agree with your second, since I don't believe that Cov-2 virus exists.

Into the Night said:
It CAN cause pneumonia (like any respiratory virus can), which CAN kill.
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I definitely believe in pneumonia, just not that biological viruses are one of its causes. Wikipedia's page on pneumonia claims that it is caused by both viruses -and- bacteria. I certainly believe in bacteria, but I'm skeptical that they play a large role in creating the condition known as pneumonia. Mike Stone looked into the history of various diseases allegedly caused by germs in an article he wrote last year. I'll just quote the first 3 paragraphs of it here:
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In the early 1900s, there was a Canadian doctor who experimented with millions of the so-called deadly pathogenic bacteria of diphtheria, typhoid, pneumonia, meningitis, and tuberculosis. Anywhere from 50,000 to several millions of these bacteria were contained within the cultures that were ultimately swallowed by the volunteers. However, not a single one of them ever came down with disease over the course of the five years of experimentation. Having satisfied himself of the fraud of the germ “theory” of disease, the Canadian doctor set out a challenge to the rest of the scientific community to prove that microbes can cause disease through similar experiments. While his challenge was largely ignored, a doctor from Minnesota eventually responded by issuing a challenge of his own to the Canadian doctor, wanting him to subject himself to further experiments. Thus, a germ duel was set where the person with the positive claim regarding the existence of so-called deadly pathogenic microbes wanted the one who challenged this belief to prove it wrong by experimenting directly on himself.

Often times when dealing with the defenders of the germ “theory” of disease, we are challenged to similar “germ duels” where, in order to maintain our honor and support our challenge to their positive claim (which they mistakenly believe has been satisfied due to a hundred years of pseudoscientific experimentation), we must demonstrate a willingness to “risk our lives” for it while they get to sit back on fraudulent evidence that they feel is sufficient. We are supposed to subject ourselves to various so-called “pathogenic” agents in order to disprove “infection” and “contagion.” This is a defensive tactic that is employed once the germ “theory” defenders realize that they have no scientific evidence on their side supporting their belief in invisible “pathogenic” boogeymen. Thus, it somehow becomes “logical” in their minds to demand that we jump through ridiculous hoops in order to satisfy their outlandish scenarios in place of their having to provide experimental evidence that validates the positive claims that they make. It's an attempt to logically fallaciously shift the burden of proof onto us so that they do not have to defend their position with scientific evidence. Personally, I've been told to get bit by a rabid dog, sleep with someone who has an STD, inject myself with HIV-positive blood, sit inside a tuberculosis ward, and take care of an Ebola patient without adequate protection.

Ironically, I can actually cross one of those scenarios off of the list as I personally lived inside a small two-bedroom apartment with my mother-in-law who was said to be in the active and “infectious” phase of the tuberculosis disease for over a month. According to the Mayo Clinic, TB spreads when a person ill with the disease coughs, sneezes or sings, releasing tiny droplets with the germs into the air that another person breathes in, allowing the germs to enter the lungs. The disease is said to spread easily when people gather in crowds or when living in crowded conditions. However, despite the fact that it should have been easy for us to “catch” the disease, neither myself, my wife, my son, nor any of the various relatives and visitors who came to see my mother-in-law during that time ever came down with the tuberculosis disease or even tested positive for it. This was a major turning point that had me questioning the concepts of “infectiousness” and “contagiousness.”
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Full article:
mikestone.substack.com

The Germ Duel

Shot down in a blaze of glory.
mikestone.substack.com mikestone.substack.com
 
Jake Starkey said:
Scott said:
Jake Starkey said:
I never got Polio, Tetanus, Pertussis, Diphtheria, Rubella, Measles, or Mumps.

It's because my parents vaccinated me, and the vaccines work.
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Unsubstantiated assertion.
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Scott, you word is nothing.
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It's not my word we're talking about here, it's yours- you made 2 claims:
1- You never got polio, tetanus, pertussis, diptheria, rubella, measles or mumps and that you didn't get them because your parents vaccinated you.
2- Vaccines work.

You haven't provided any evidence for either assertion.
 
Yep, and my claims are true. Yours are not. And when we evaluate the probative value of truth here, I come out way ahead and you come out at the bottom.
 
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