The shooter is a Tea Party member in Colorado...

Damocles said:
The theater, being in what we've affectionately called murder mall for a good decade or more, is a "gun free" zone, they have signs and everything. Apparently the good guys paid attention to the signs.
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Please go smoke a cigerette, being deprived has done something to your thought process ;)
 
Jarod said:
TO use a car it must be registered. To drive you must have a liscence. If you lend your car, in Florida and many states, to someone and they injure someone, you are responsable. You can lose your liscence if you do not drive responsability or are convicted of a drug offence. You must be 16 to have a liscence. Many cars are not street legal and to produce a car it must pass safety requirements that make it safer.

Regulations need to be put on the manufacture and importation of Automatic Weapons.

People are still killed by car accidents every day, but the government can and does promote responsable useage. That can be done with guns.
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Rana said:
Yes, I know you struggle with thinking, it is okay, I will type slower for you.
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How about just try to make a posting relevant to the topic rather than constantly trying to insult, and demean your opponent...That would be just fine thanks.
 
Jarod said:
To me it's not about the individuals legally owning guns, it's about guns that are designed to kill hundreds within min's being mass produced and sold to the general public.
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whether its a single shot shotgun or a rifle with 100 round magazines, they are all for self defense. just like automobiles, they can be abused.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you're welcome to try also, slut.
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Ohh, scary.


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A friend on another site had this to say earlier...Just for background he is a retired Master Sargent from the Marine Corps. And I think he makes an excellent point here...

MSgt. said:
It is unbelievable how pathetic and weak minded people are in the wake of tragedy. The stupidity is jaw dropping.....


Breivik traveled Europe and the Internet to obtain his weapons, which he used in Norway to murder 77 people. Terrorists use communication wire and cellular phones to create explosives (some even use airplanes). Given the sincerity and commitment of the DC Sniper, without the ability to obtain a Bushmaster he would have simply used a deer rifle since single shot attacks was his forte. And most people murdered are done so with hand guns...not rifles.

So what is the answer to everybody's pathetic fear? Ban the Internet? Ban comm wire and cell phones? Ban hunting rifles? Hand guns? No, but we want to appeal to everybody's immediate and temporary emotions by focusing on what happened most recently and exploit it don't we? Certain Democrats have this false idea that if we only apply just the right amount of sledge hammer to our Ammendments that utopia will spring forth. Somehow, the idea of cracking down on Semi-Automatic assault rifles will make everybody feel responsible and safe. Didn't jack the Ripper use a knife? The Boston Strangler strangled (I assume from the name). The fact is that most people are killed by people they know and many are crimes of passion meaning any weapon available (Home Depot better start screening who they sell hammers to).

Well, I own a Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle. Never killed anybody with it. I own handguns. Never killed anybody with them. I own a cell phone and sometimes I fly on airplanes. I've never made a bomb. But just like a car, we don't know who is going to drink and drive until they do. And if they kill somebody are we supposed to assume some sort of great responsibility to crack down on DMVs and the inability to sniff out the drunk? Or the First Class Citizen who will one day be fired from his job, get drunk, and drive?

The answer isn't more rules and more laws. The answer is not to react like weaklings afraid of the 99 percent of gun owners who don't go on rampages in theaters. The answer is to deal with the incident as an incident and not a trend. (Of course, if we want to remind people about Colombine maybe we should ban weapons from people born in Colorado.)

What angers me about this (aside from the weak minded jack asses wishing upon a utopian star) is that I deserve better. I spent 20 years in the Marine Corps. During that time I have done my job from behind the trigger abroad. I have trained behind M249 SAW, 50 cal, and 240G (even the M60) machine guns. I have trained with grenade launchers and even automatic machine gun grenade launchers. But now that I have earned a bit of retirement and relaxation from all of that I'm supposed to entertain the idea of a few mindless morons who are overreacting to another moron dressed as the Joker?

Idiots.

Most people who have Concealed Weapons Permits usually don't even carry. Perhaps they should. The first thing people I described above will say is that we don't need citizen shoot outs in theaters. Perhaps. Or perhaps the "Joker" would have managed to kill less. But isn't that the policeman's job? Hell no. Are you assigned a personal cop for your protection? "Protect and Serve" is and has always been a joke. Policemen and strictly reactionary. If your car gets broken into they will react, dust, and move on to the next call after the fact. If your house gets broken into, you will wait on that phone for police to react. And if the "Joker" appears in your movie theater firing weapons senselessy into the crowd your option is to stop him....... or wait for somebody with a badge to react while the blood stains the seats.

And the same kind of people I describe will also bring up the crime rate in America in correlation to our gun laws in comparison to the rest of the world. They will dismiss the fact that our culture is built around aggression in the first place. They will dismiss the fact that guns merely add to the romance of the rapper. They will dismiss that donning boxing gloves football pads is a great way to teach our young that inflicting pain can be entertaining to others and fun to ourselves. But they dare whine about a handgun or a rifle in our society? We groom aggression. We always have. We have built our society on the basis of rebellion and defiance towards establishment. From the Revolutionary War to the Civil Rights Marches Americans have raised a fist at "the man" who dares to tell them what to do or where their place is. We produce movies that glorify violence. We stamp a code on video games and pretend we are now responsible for what we buy our kids. We've come a long way from Pacman to Grand Theft Auto where stealing, murdering, and ****ing prostitutes is awesome. But pretend to have some sort of responsibility morality to everyday life because we react stupidly to a single incident in a theater who absolutely has to define the vast majority of gun owners like me? And aren't most gun violent crimes committed by civilians anyway? Maybe it should be all civilians we crack down on. That "Joker" represents that side of our society. I know who I'm supposed to kill.

And by the way....Prague is known for being the most important transit site point for illicit drugs and weapons in Europe. Despite this fact Prague also has one of the lowest crime rates among European capitals. Explain that. Their cops better? Since cops react....is their education better? Since most of the world class universities reside in America....is their culture more passive?

The answer to this problem is a complex one. It's not as simple as introducing more rules and laws to strip away for which merely feeds the lawyer/judicial system of irresponsibility....who by the way...become politicians that "represent" you.
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Jarod said:
TO use a car it must be registered. To drive you must have a liscence. If you lend your car, in Florida and many states, to someone and they injure someone, you are responsable. You can lose your liscence if you do not drive responsability or are convicted of a drug offence. You must be 16 to have a liscence. Many cars are not street legal and to produce a car it must pass safety requirements that make it safer.

Regulations need to be put on the manufacture and importation of Automatic Weapons.

People are still killed by car accidents every day, but the government can and does promote responsable useage. That can be done with guns.
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owning and driving a car is a privilege extended to you by the state. Owning a firearm is a right you possess and protected by the Constitution.
 
Socrtease said:
I own multiple guns. I have NEVER shot someone, gone to a mall and opened fire etc. I have a concealed carry licence. If someone walks into a theater I am in with the intent of killing people I will put an end to his intent. Those of us that carry are all that stand between you and death.
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A follow up on this point, here is an incident that happened 2 - 3 months ago...in Aurora, CO no less. How many have ever heard about it? Why? I know this article is slanted toward the gun owner but the point is, for all that don't think concealed carry can diffuse a situation, there have several times where it has. And here is one of them...in the same city just a few months earlier.

http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/cr...-shootings-one-widely-known-the-other-ignored

I am a hunter and use my guns mainly for that and target shooting, but when I am out, I am always carrying. Oh, don't make a big deal out of the fact that the guy in the article who subdued the criminal was an off duty police officer. I consistently shoot as good as or better than my law enforcement friends when we're at the range.
 
Jarod said:
TO use a car it must be registered. To drive you must have a liscence. If you lend your car, in Florida and many states, to someone and they injure someone, you are responsable. You can lose your liscence if you do not drive responsability or are convicted of a drug offence. You must be 16 to have a liscence. Many cars are not street legal and to produce a car it must pass safety requirements that make it safer.

Regulations need to be put on the manufacture and importation of Automatic Weapons.

People are still killed by car accidents every day, but the government can and does promote responsable useage. That can be done with guns.
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The right to own and drive cars is not one of the rights specifically noted in the constitution, do you say it should be at the same level of rights and we should stop requiring licensing or are you saying that regulation of rights is okay and we should require testing and licensing for fundamental rights like speaking out and voting?

Personally I think driving your own car is a privilege, not the same thing as a right.
 
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