The Stage is Set for Trump to Start Dealin'.

Frank Apisa said:
I think he may.

The only way this thing gets resolved without lots of bloodshed...is if Trump finally makes a deal (he loves to do that) and resigns. He can pretend that he got much the better of the deal. The deal will include him, and his spawn, not being prosecuted.

I sure hope that is the way it goes.
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That's pretty well exactly what I've predicted Frank. It's American to be so shortsighted on the whole issue of Trump to not be able to see it. I think your maturity has enabled you to see through to being objective.

The GOP can't possibly be destroyed, no matter how badly the Dems would like to see it. I would suggest that the Dem leadership are secretly aware of that being not allowed to happen. But it's totally realistic to expect that they won't settle with anything less than the end of Trump.

Maybe we can at least agree that Mueller on behalf of the FBI, have all they need now to destroy Trump's children? There's no sane way of being able to deny that at least. They knew what Cohen knew and acted illegally in the same way Cohen acted. But Cohen made the deal and Trump's kids won't be offered the chance!

It's ending with a whimper instead of the big bang of Trump hitting the dirt.
 
montgomery said:
No doubt now that what Cohen got as a reward for his sleazy co-operation with Trump, is now facing his kids. All three of the lowlife slime fukkers!
And Cohen got 3 years because he cooperated. How much is sonny Donald, Eric, and Trump's little princess going to co-operate to save their scheming hides?

None, because Trump is going to do all the dealin necessary with the FBI and Mueller.

Seasons Greeting Trump family! LOL
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Perhaps Ivanka can "wiggle" her way out of this.
 
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montgomery said:
That's pretty well exactly what I've predicted Frank. It's American to be so shortsighted on the whole issue of Trump to not be able to see it. I think your maturity has enabled you to see through to being objective.

The GOP can't possibly be destroyed, no matter how badly the Dems would like to see it. I would suggest that the Dem leadership are secretly aware of that being not allowed to happen. But it's totally realistic to expect that they won't settle with anything less than the end of Trump.

Maybe we can at least agree that Mueller on behalf of the FBI, have all they need now to destroy Trump's children? There's no sane way of being able to deny that at least. They knew what Cohen knew and acted illegally in the same way Cohen acted. But Cohen made the deal and Trump's kids won't be offered the chance!

It's ending with a whimper instead of the big bang of Trump hitting the dirt.
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I agree, Monty.

I suspect Mueller has now come to the realization that someone has got to stop this ongoing train wreck...and that he has the means to do it.

As for the GOP...my position has not changed over decades now. The GOP makes an extremely effective loyal opposition...and has always been great at keeping the excesses of some liberal notions in check.

THAT is their forte.

What they cannot do...is to effectively govern.

In any case, it would be a disaster for our nation if the GOP were destroyed.

I hope America gets to work this out along the lines we have spoken of here. We have got to provide cover for GOP politicians who are under tremendous pressure because of the Trump base.

Everyone has got to have some face-saving...or this goes south quickly.

Senate just voted to end monies to Saudi Arabia...bucking Trump big time!
 
Frank Apisa said:
I agree, Monty.

I suspect Mueller has now come to the realization that someone has got to stop this ongoing train wreck...and that he has the means to do it.

As for the GOP...my position has not changed over decades now. The GOP makes an extremely effective loyal opposition...and has always been great at keeping the excesses of some liberal notions in check.

THAT is their forte.

What they cannot do...is to effectively govern.

In any case, it would be a disaster for our nation if the GOP were destroyed.

I hope America gets to work this out along the lines we have spoken of here. We have got to provide cover for GOP politicians who are under tremendous pressure because of the Trump base.

Everyone has got to have some face-saving...or this goes south quickly.

Senate just voted to end monies to Saudi Arabia...bucking Trump big time!
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That's why nothing will really change, the face saving comes first.
 
Frank Apisa said:
I agree, Monty.

I suspect Mueller has now come to the realization that someone has got to stop this ongoing train wreck...and that he has the means to do it.

As for the GOP...my position has not changed over decades now. The GOP makes an extremely effective loyal opposition...and has always been great at keeping the excesses of some liberal notions in check.

THAT is their forte.

What they cannot do...is to effectively govern.

In any case, it would be a disaster for our nation if the GOP were destroyed.

I hope America gets to work this out along the lines we have spoken of here. We have got to provide cover for GOP politicians who are under tremendous pressure because of the Trump base.

Everyone has got to have some face-saving...or this goes south quickly.

Senate just voted to end monies to Saudi Arabia...bucking Trump big time!
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Right on Frank! I think it takes some maturity to be able to see the light that's coming. It's the only possible way for it all to end.

Maybe discussing it between us will cause some other unusually bright bulbs to flicker to life. There are a few!

I will say though in the defence of Americans, if it was Canadian politics it would be equally difficult for me to rise above the partisan politics. That which we can agree upon is counter to the politics of both sides. Not something easy for any of them to swallow whole!
 
montgomery said:
Right on Frank! I think it takes some maturity to be able to see the light that's coming. It's the only possible way for it all to end.

Maybe discussing it between us will cause some other unusually bright bulbs to flicker to life. There are a few!

I will say though in the defence of Americans, if it was Canadian politics it would be equally difficult for me to rise above the partisan politics. That which we can agree upon is counter to the politics of both sides. Not something easy for any of them to swallow whole!
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Do you anticipate either party beginning to push programs the public is in favor of? Or the same ole stuff where neither does?
 
Fentoine Lum said:
That's why nothing will really change, the face saving comes first.
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Don't sell face-saving short, Lum.

Many a needed deal happened because both sides were able to claim some element of victory.

You certainly are free to argue for total victory...with no concession to the other side.

But if you think unconditional victories are more likely to lead to improvement in the human condition than victories with some element of "face-saving"...you are kidding yourself.

Fact is...a demand for "unconditional victory" more often leads to "NO VICTORY FOR EITHER SIDE."
 
Dark Soul said:
Guilty of what?

Tell the truth for once- it's because he destroyed the Hillbag. The only person who could do so.
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You are so wrong.. This has NOTHING to do with Hillary.. This is about Trump's lies and incompetence.. His tantrums.. and that sorry bunch of scalawags he has surrounded himself with.
 
montgomery said:
No doubt now that what Cohen got as a reward for his sleazy co-operation with Trump, is now facing his kids. All three of the lowlife slime fukkers!
And Cohen got 3 years because he cooperated. How much is sonny Donald, Eric, and Trump's little princess going to co-operate to save their scheming hides?

None, because Trump is going to do all the dealin necessary with the FBI and Mueller.

Seasons Greeting Trump family! LOL
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Let’s see if his skills work with the SDNY, they sound rather strict.
 
kudzu said:
You are so wrong.. This has NOTHING to do with Hillary.. This is about Trump's lies and incompetence.. His tantrums.. and that sorry bunch of scalawags he has surrounded himself with.
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I am right, as usual. It's ALL about the Hillbag.
 
Hello Heff,

Heff said:
Well, you guys have tried nearly everything, including tactics befitting a banana republic, and still have nothing. Maybe this is the one? Merry Christmas.
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Due process.

If Trump is clean he has nothing to worry about.

Looks to me like he is mighty worried!
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Heff,



Due process.

If Trump is clean he has nothing to worry about.

Looks to me like he is mighty worried!
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I'm not sure about that, sir. I don't think justice is the end game here. This is a fishing expedition. It is a witch hunt. The investigation has become the punishment.
 
Hello Frank,

Frank Apisa said:
I gave you a THANKS on this...although I could not give a shit less whether Trump "admit(s) guilt" or not. I just want him to grow enough brain to realize that his best bet (and for the good of his kids)...he should resign and exit the scene!

The sooner he (and that family) is gone...the sooner his promise to "drain the swamp" will be met.

It is disgusting to our Republic that he occupies the office he does...and the fact that there are still people in this country who support him should disgust anyone with a brain.
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I don't think Trump will resign. His ego is too big to admit fault. He will try to twist it around in his mind. He is going to have to be thrown out.

And the spectacle will buoy the world!
 
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