uscitizen
Villified User
Well at least I don't do like you and deny the wind is even blowing
A sailor must adjust his sails depending on which way the changing wind blows.
Otherwise has has not a clue where he will wind up.
The UnChristian Crusade for Imposing Christian Morality
- Thread starter AnyOldIron
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Well at least I don't do like you and deny the wind is even blowing
A sailor must adjust his sails depending on which way the changing wind blows.
Otherwise has has not a clue where he will wind up.
AnyOldIron
Atheist Missionary
Most people here are not comfortable saying bad things about Christianity.
Ah, but these people who claim to be acting as christians aren't following his word if they campaign on moral issues...
I am helping christians... lol
Ah, but these people who claim to be acting as christians aren't following his word if they campaign on moral issues...
I am helping christians... lol
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uscitizen
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It would be funny if they would be suprised after dying that there was no heaven or hell. but since they are dead they know nothing so.........
Religion is the perfect scam. You are selling someting that does not exist, cannot be proven to exist or not exist, and it is legal to sell
AnyOldIron
Atheist Missionary
Yep, and it plays on inherited genetic traits, such as the desire for stright lines to live by, and fear of mortality.
You couldn't get a better scam....
You couldn't get a better scam....
uscitizen
Villified User
And it is a scam with a couple of thousand years of polishing.
We have seen in past history what happens when the scammers become the rulers...Why would any thinking person want that back ?
Same as those who parrot Rush's talking points I suppose. It is easier to have someone else tell you what to do. It is also comforting to be able to blame out the outcome of all your mistakes on another mythological being...
One can see how Christians are drawn to authoritian Con types...
We have seen in past history what happens when the scammers become the rulers...Why would any thinking person want that back ?
Same as those who parrot Rush's talking points I suppose. It is easier to have someone else tell you what to do. It is also comforting to be able to blame out the outcome of all your mistakes on another mythological being...
One can see how Christians are drawn to authoritian Con types...
Lao Tse
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Yet behavior still matters, still has an impact on the survivability of the group. And the behaviors that lead to success are relatively constant accross all cultures. Though the supernatural aspects of religion may be debatable, the impact of morality on behavior and behavior upon survivability is irrefudiatable.
AnyOldIron
Atheist Missionary
Yet behavior still matters, still has an impact on the survivability of the group. And the behaviors that lead to success are relatively constant accross all cultures. Though the supernatural aspects of religion may be debatable, the impact of morality on behavior and behavior upon survivability is irrefudiatable.
Then it is good that Christians don't apply their ideology...
Then it is good that Christians don't apply their ideology...
Lao Tse
Verified User
This is actually more of sociological/evolutionary viewpoint, but I understand your broadbrush is stuck on one idiotic setting.
AnyOldIron
Atheist Missionary
This is actually more of sociological/evolutionary viewpoint, but I understand your broadbrush is stuck on one idiotic setting.
Explain how this statement is relevant to the above?
If christians followed their ideology, then they wouldn't campaign against 'sins' that you consider absolute on the basis that they are 'universal' in their promotion of cohesive society.
Explain how this statement is relevant to the above?
If christians followed their ideology, then they wouldn't campaign against 'sins' that you consider absolute on the basis that they are 'universal' in their promotion of cohesive society.
Lao Tse
Verified User
Your statement is illogical. Making laws against things is not "making them impossible", hence your argument that this denies free will is false, because free will is not impeded by laws. You're free to commit acts, and society may or may not hold you accountable.
Lao Tse
Verified User
Inherited genetic traits? How does religion play on inherited genetic traits? Which inherited traits are played upon?
AnyOldIron
Atheist Missionary
Inherited genetic traits? How does religion play on inherited genetic traits? Which inherited traits are played upon?
Morality. The pre-condition for morality is genetic, although the particulars are moulded by conditioning. Religion plays on humanities need to see things by 'straight lines', for example that this is evil and that is good.
Fear of mortality. Self survival is a genetic trait that in high order animals such as us is only overrided by intense social conditioning. (see the 'brainwashing' of suicide bombers)
Need to be part of a group.
Morality. The pre-condition for morality is genetic, although the particulars are moulded by conditioning. Religion plays on humanities need to see things by 'straight lines', for example that this is evil and that is good.
Fear of mortality. Self survival is a genetic trait that in high order animals such as us is only overrided by intense social conditioning. (see the 'brainwashing' of suicide bombers)
Need to be part of a group.
Here...
Read this:
http://www.godpart.com/
You'll understand the genetic pre-disposition of the human to find a Deity.
uscitizen
Villified User
Several theologians I have spoken with describe it as a "God shaped hole"
And this certainly does go against the freewill aspect of our choice if God designed us with a need for him.
God stacked the deck ?
Thankfully I am defective and don't have that hole in my brain.
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Right, you can tell that by the fact that we are having a conversation about it.
uscitizen
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You and I are certainly not representative of the general population.
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I just feed that hole with other things than God.
I find them much more reliable!
I find them much more reliable!
Lao Tse
Verified User
But self sacrifice does have a role in social groups. And individuals increase their likelihood of success if they are part of a culture which uses a degree of selflessness to defend the collective. Many genes we share with other individuals of our collective, so feelings of love toward the collective are not misplaced according to the true function of the love emotion, propagating genes.
It's not an irrational need for "straight lines" . the lines happen to graph a function regarding evolutionary strategy of social mammalians.
AnyOldIron
Atheist Missionary
But self sacrifice does have a role in social groups. And individuals increase their likelihood of success if they are part of a culture which uses a degree of selflessness to defend the collective. Many genes we share with other individuals of our collective, so feelings of love toward the collective are not misplaced according to the true function of the love emotion, propagating genes.
That altruism has a selfish genetic survival reason at its core is something I won't dispute. It is soemthing brought up by Richard Dawkins in The Selfish Gene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene
But this isn't really relevant to what we are discussing.
It's not an irrational need for "straight lines" . the lines happen to graph a function regarding evolutionary strategy of social mammalians.
I didn't say it was irrational. The straight lines humans seek to 'impose' on existence do aid its ability to understand it. But they don't exist innately, what exists innately in existence are many many interwoven strands of cause and effect.
That altruism has a selfish genetic survival reason at its core is something I won't dispute. It is soemthing brought up by Richard Dawkins in The Selfish Gene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene
But this isn't really relevant to what we are discussing.
It's not an irrational need for "straight lines" . the lines happen to graph a function regarding evolutionary strategy of social mammalians.
I didn't say it was irrational. The straight lines humans seek to 'impose' on existence do aid its ability to understand it. But they don't exist innately, what exists innately in existence are many many interwoven strands of cause and effect.