The unserious war in Ukraine

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After more than three years of conflict, there are still many questions that remain unanswered.

One, with a massive Air Force including strategic bombers, why use small ineffective drones?

Two, how has this war become a primitive WW I type trench warfare. The Russian missiles and massive Air Force could pound the Ukraines into the ground mercilessly.

Three, if this were a real war, would Russia be using 800 drones resulting in a mere 2 deaths?

I feel that this is becoming a huge grifting enterprise where both Ukraine and Russias leaders are gaining monetarily while gaslighting the rest of the world.

Where is the evidence of this massive loss of troops and the cemeteries they would be burying them in? Has anyone seen or recorded them? If not, why not?

Russia's Air Force and military far outnumber the Ukrainians. How is it they cannot win and the war has devolved into this stalemate which makes no sense.

Why is the media not curious about anything these days? There are never questions about what is actually happening there, but rather, cheer leading a never-ending war.

I am becoming convinced that we are being played, lied to and gaslighted.

 

[Walt]

If this war continues, we will see land drones in a year or two, which will completely change the balance of power.

The Russian missiles and massive Air Force could pound the Ukraines into the ground mercilessly.

The Russian Air Force has been decimated by Ukrainian air defenses, and hides far back from the front lines.

Russia's Air Force and military far outnumber the Ukrainians.

They have not been able to use their air force and navy lead for obvious reasons. Right now, both forces are in hiding as far away from Ukraine as they can get.

In theory, the Russians have three times the army of Ukraine. But the Russians have other needs for their army, where as the Ukrainians can focus their entire army on the Russians. When you look at it like that, there is closer to parity between the deployable size of the armies. The Russian advantage is that they are willing to sacrifice most of their troops in the war, where the Ukrainians would be losing a major chunk of their productive population.

how has this war become a primitive WW I type trench warfare.

Whenever troops are not doing mobile warfare, they start digging trenches. I am not as sure as you are that those trenches are the main strategy, which draws the obvious question over whether they were as successful as we thought in WWI.

What has been successful in the Ukrainian War is the combination of landmines, drones, and artillery, especially when setup 30 to 60 miles deep. We thought landmines would easily be deactivated by engineers, given time... But did not realize those engineers would be out in the open, easily spotted by drones, and then killed by artillery.

With WWI, all the artillery was relatively static, there were no tanks, and the supply lines were also static, mostly trains not trucks. Which meant that the more you advanced, the further you got from supporting artillery, and the close you got to well supplied enemy artillery.

 

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If this war continues, we will see land drones in a year or two, which will completely change the balance of power.


The Russian Air Force has been decimated by Ukrainian air defenses, and hides far back from the front lines.


They have not been able to use their air force and navy lead for obvious reasons. Right now, both forces are in hiding as far away from Ukraine as they can get.

In theory, the Russians have three times the army of Ukraine. But the Russians have other needs for their army, where as the Ukrainians can focus their entire army on the Russians. When you look at it like that, there is closer to parity between the deployable size of the armies. The Russian advantage is that they are willing to sacrifice most of their troops in the war, where the Ukrainians would be losing a major chunk of their productive population.


Whenever troops are not doing mobile warfare, they start digging trenches. I am not as sure as you are that those trenches are the main strategy, which draws the obvious question over whether they were as successful as we thought in WWI.

What has been successful in the Ukrainian War is the combination of landmines, drones, and artillery, especially when setup 30 to 60 miles deep. We thought landmines would easily be deactivated by engineers, given time... But did not realize those engineers would be out in the open, easily spotted by drones, and then killed by artillery.

With WWI, all the artillery was relatively static, there were no tanks, and the supply lines were also static, mostly trains not trucks. Which meant that the more you advanced, the further you got from supporting artillery, and the close you got to well supplied enemy artillery.

More evidence that you don't know what you are bloviating about.

 

[Hawkeye10]

1.7 million NATO Army are dead, or presumed dead.....this is the largest land war since WW2.

WAKE UP.

 

[Walt]

More evidence that you don't know what you are bloviating about.

The Ukrainian Navy is basically nonexistent, and yet the Ukrainians have been able to defeat the Russian Black Sea Navy. The last remaining Russian ships are in hiding as far from Ukraine as they can get.

 

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1.7 million NATO Army are dead, or presumed dead.....this is the largest land war since WW2.

WAKE UP.

Link to this laughably stupid lie.

 

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The Ukrainian Navy is basically nonexistent, and yet the Ukrainians have been able to defeat the Russian Black Sea Navy. The last remaining Russian ships are in hiding as far from Ukraine as they can get.

All the more to skeptical about the news coming out of this part of the world. Of course, that would require a brain, something you illustrate constantly that you are lacking.

 

[Walt]

All the more to skeptical about the news coming out of this part of the world. Of course, that would require a brain, something you illustrate constantly that you are lacking.

So when the facts interfere with your assumptions, you become skeptical about the facts?

Clearly the Russians have not won this invasion in two weeks. We know something went wrong for them. Repeating over and over again they are strong enough to win immediately does not make it so.

 

[Hawkeye10]

So when the facts interfere with your assumptions, you become skeptical about the facts?

Clearly the Russians have not won this invasion in two weeks. We know something went wrong for them. Repeating over and over again they are strong enough to win immediately does not make it so.

You are the one who repeats over and over again things that are clearly not true.....as if you are part of a psyops.

 

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So when the facts interfere with your assumptions, you become skeptical about the facts?

Says a gullible brainless douchebag that does nothing but wallow in assumptions.

Clearly the Russians have not won this invasion in two weeks.

Two weeks??!! Try three years you brainless dunce.

We know something went wrong for them. Repeating over and over again they are strong enough to win immediately does not make it so.

The only thing anyone knows is that we are being gaslighted and no one seems to care to investigate how such a massive force as Russia has can't seem to beat a far smaller force and when it does attack, the losses are minimal.

With Russia's bomber force, they could blast Ukraine back into the stone age. Why don't they?

If their losses are in the millions, why aren't there massive protests in Russia?

Where's the media who always seems to be able to report from war torn areas, but are missing in action here?

 

[Walt]

Two weeks??!! Try three years you brainless dunce.

It is three and a half years later, so almost 200 weeks later. Putin is further from victory than he was one week in. It is clear that this will not be a quick victory for Putin. These days even when Putin advances, it is in tiny fits and starts, not in the grand breakthrough he needs for overall victory. At the rate Putin is going, it will take him over a thousand years to win the war.

On a regular basis, Russia is losing 10-20% of its oil production. Ukraine is easily striking 800 miles into Russia. It was worried that Ukraine could not sustain their attacks, but it is now clear they will have no problem doing that. The question now is how long Russia can sustain their repairs.

no one seems to care to investigate how such a massive force as Russia has can't seem to beat a far smaller force and when it does attack, the losses are minimal.

Russia has about three times the overall military as Ukraine does. About a third of that is in uncalled up reserves. Another third is stationed in other places. So the forces up against each other are basically equal sizes.

The Russians care about those forces less than the Ukrainians do. Putin would have no problem losing half his invading forces, but losing half the Ukrainian forces would be a huge demographic problem for Ukraine. Russian losses have been high.

But the Ukrainian forces care more about defending their country than the Russian forces care about invading Ukraine. So for the time being, it all evens out.

With Russia's bomber force, they could blast Ukraine back into the stone age. Why don't they?

The Russians have already lost a huge portion of their bomber fleet with no obvious way to rebuild it. I doubt they could take much more losses.

If their losses are in the millions, why aren't there massive protests in Russia?

Millions might be a bit of an exaggeration. More realistically, maybe about a quarter of a million Russian soldiers killed. Those soldiers volunteered for what Russians consider a large amount of money, so Russians are not particularly angry about it. Besides, Russians do not generally have massive protests.

Somewhere along the line, you have confused Russian culture with US culture.

 

[Scott]

After more than three years of conflict, there are still many questions that remain unanswered.

One, with a massive Air Force including strategic bombers, why use small ineffective drones?

The drones are actually very effective at what they're being used for, which is fairly surgical strikes.

Two, how has this war become a primitive WW I type trench warfare. The Russian missiles and massive Air Force could pound the Ukraines into the ground mercilessly.

Unlike Israel's heavy handedness, Russia realizes that such tactics would only make the world villify them. This isn't just about destroying their Ukrainian adversary, it's also very much a public relations game. Russia has plenty of time to grind the Ukrainian army down- it's Ukraine that's running out of pretty much everything- men and weapons.

Three, if this were a real war, would Russia be using 800 drones resulting in a mere 2 deaths?

I wonder if you got that 800 number from a recent comment Zelensky made to the press- this one, to be precise:
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Zelensky, in his own way, mocked Poland in the aftermath with the following statement:

Zelensky: If Poland faced a massive attack, it would not be able to save its people. We had 810 drones launched at us and shot down 700. They had 19 — shot down 4. And they didn’t even face missiles.

Well, he does have a point.
**

Source:

SITREP 9/19/25: "Russian Incursion" Scare Heats Up as Enfeebled NATO Hobbles to Respond

Well, we all expected it to happen.

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It's becoming increasingly obvious that Europe is currently just a paper tiger and Trump is smart enough to refuse to get more involved in a war where the U.S. has little skin in the game.

Another thing in relation to your thinking that drones haven't killed many Ukrainians- Russia's goal has always been to defang Ukraine, not to kill Ukrainians. That's why it's primary focus has always been on military targets, not Ukrainians themselves. Unfortunately, soldiers are clearly military targets and Ukraine has a lot of those, so a lot of Ukrainian soldiers have died. You can't trust Ukraine to say how many Ukrainians have been killed, but from what I've heard, the numbers are pretty high.

 

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It is three and a half years later, so almost 200 weeks later. Putin is further from victory than he was one week in. It is clear that this will not be a quick victory for Putin. These days even when Putin advances, it is in tiny fits and starts, not in the grand breakthrough he needs for overall victory. At the rate Putin is going, it will take him over a thousand years to win the war.

On a regular basis, Russia is losing 10-20% of its oil production. Ukraine is easily striking 800 miles into Russia. It was worried that Ukraine could not sustain their attacks, but it is now clear they will have no problem doing that. The question now is how long Russia can sustain their repairs.


Russia has about three times the overall military as Ukraine does. About a third of that is in uncalled up reserves. Another third is stationed in other places. So the forces up against each other are basically equal sizes.

The Russians care about those forces less than the Ukrainians do. Putin would have no problem losing half his invading forces, but losing half the Ukrainian forces would be a huge demographic problem for Ukraine. Russian losses have been high.

But the Ukrainian forces care more about defending their country than the Russian forces care about invading Ukraine. So for the time being, it all evens out.


The Russians have already lost a huge portion of their bomber fleet with no obvious way to rebuild it. I doubt they could take much more losses.


Millions might be a bit of an exaggeration. More realistically, maybe about a quarter of a million Russian soldiers killed. Those soldiers volunteered for what Russians consider a large amount of money, so Russians are not particularly angry about it. Besides, Russians do not generally have massive protests.

Somewhere along the line, you have confused Russian culture with US culture.

More speculative bullshit. You seem to be quite full of it.

But alas Walt, I didn't expect this to provoke any though from you. That would require a brain and intelligence.

 

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The drones are actually very effective at what they're being used for, which is fairly surgical strikes.

Against civilian targets? Dumb.

Unlike Israel's heavy handedness, Russia realizes that such tactics would only make the world villify them. This isn't just about destroying their Ukrainian adversary, it's also very much a public relations game. Russia has plenty of time to grind the Ukrainian army down- it's Ukraine that's running out of pretty much everything- men and weapons.

They are already the villain's silly man. They are murdering innocent civilians with their attacks. DUH!

I wonder if you got that 800 number from a recent comment Zelensky made to the press- this one, to be precise:
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Zelensky, in his own way, mocked Poland in the aftermath with the following statement:
Well, he does have a point.
**

Source:

SITREP 9/19/25: "Russian Incursion" Scare Heats Up as Enfeebled NATO Hobbles to Respond

Well, we all expected it to happen.

simplicius76.substack.com

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that Europe is currently just a paper tiger and Trump is smart enough to refuse to get more involved in a war where the U.S. has little skin in the game.

That's obvious.

Another thing in relation to your thinking that drones haven't killed many Ukrainians- Russia's goal has always been to defang Ukraine, not to kill Ukrainians.

That's a rather dumb statement given the targets and who they are killing, which are innocent civilians.

You cannot win a war using drones.

That's why it's primary focus has always been on military targets, not Ukrainians themselves.

So how much of the Ukrainian armed forces have been decimated by Russia? Where are the factual casualty figures? I have seen nothing but speculative bullshit.

Where are the factual verifiable casualty figures on the Russian troops.

Unfortunately, soldiers are clearly military targets and Ukraine has a lot of those, so a lot of Ukrainian soldiers have died. You can't trust Ukraine to say how many Ukrainians have been killed, but from what I've heard, the numbers are pretty high.

You're making my point here. None of the news we get contains any facts. Merely speculation. Why aren't the media at the front line to report like they pretend they are doing in Gaza and have done since WWII?

 

[Walt]

More speculative bullshit.

It is not speculation to say that Russia has not won the war, and has made only the smallest of advances in the last 2 years, while taking huge losses. The Ukrainians are exporting MORE from their Black Sea ports than they did before the war, while what remains of the Russian Black Sea Navy is cowering as far from Ukraine as they can. Ukraine is able to strike Russian oil terminals on the Baltic Sea, 800 miles from Ukraine.

Maybe the Russians will have a breakthrough. The winds of war can change rapidly. But maybe the Ukrainians will have a breakthrough... Either possibility is just speculative.

 

[Truth Detector]

It is not speculation to say that Russia has not won the war, and has made only the smallest of advances in the last 2 years, while taking huge losses.

But in reality, it is. Why do you think a nation with vast nuclear weapons and a massive military can't make any headway in Ukraine?

The Ukrainians are exporting MORE from their Black Sea ports than they did before the war,

LINK to this specious claim.

while what remains of the Russian Black Sea Navy is cowering as far from Ukraine as they can.

LINK to this specious claim.

Ukraine is able to strike Russian oil terminals on the Baltic Sea, 800 miles from Ukraine.

What has this accomplished?

Maybe the Russians will have a breakthrough. The winds of war can change rapidly. But maybe the Ukrainians will have a breakthrough... Either possibility is just speculative.

Meanwhile you missed the point of this thread entirely. Not unusual for leftist halfwits like you.

 

[Walt]

Why do you think a nation with vast nuclear weapons and a massive military can't make any headway in Ukraine?

The nuclear weapons are useless in making headway in Ukraine. Both sides have "massive militaries." The Russians have a bigger military, but the Ukrainians are more willing to commit their military to this war. Ukraine's only threat is Russia, and it is an existential threat. Russia has many other threats, and Ukraine is not an existential threat. Russians do not care about their troops, whereas the Ukrainians could easily lose most of a generation in all this... It all evens out to mean right now no one is making much in advances.

What has been striking is how poorly prepared the Russians were. There equipment and training is much worse than anyone expected.

Even more striking is how determined and innovative the Ukrainians have been. But even the innovation has been a double edged sword. Russians have taken those innovations and copied them quickly.

LINK to this specious claim.

The flow of goods through Ukraine’s deep-sea ports surpasses pre-war volumes.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2025/09/23/ukraine-faces-deepening-military-political-and-economic-problems

LINK to this specious claim.

Come on, it is nearly universally acknowledged that the remainder of the Russian Black Sea Navy is cowering as far away as they can... But here is a link:

Russia’s warships have taken refuge in distant Novorossiysk, shut out of the Black Sea by Ukraine’s naval drones.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2025/09/23/ukraine-faces-deepening-military-political-and-economic-problems

What has this accomplished?

It has consistently knocked out 10 to 20% of Russian oil production. Along with sanctions, the Russians are so busy with repairs they cannot invest in increasing oil production. It is even becoming more difficult for them to do the repairs. We may see a gradual rise from 20% even higher.

And the Ukrainian ability to strike deep into Russia is showing the Russian people, Russian government, and the rest of the world that Ukraine is not defeated. It means Putin must keep military forces throughout Russia.

Not to mention that the Ukrainians are attacking more than just oil production. They are regularly taking out Russian planes on the runway. They hit Russian military trains. The strike the Russian military deep inside Russia.

Meanwhile you missed the point of this thread entirely.

I disagree with the point. You claim Russia is not successful, because for some reason they are not trying. I claim they are not successful, because they are not that powerful. We disagree.

 

[Truth Detector]

The nuclear weapons are useless in making headway in Ukraine. Both sides have "massive militaries." The Russians have a bigger military, but the Ukrainians are more willing to commit their military to this war. Ukraine's only threat is Russia, and it is an existential threat. Russia has many other threats, and Ukraine is not an existential threat. Russians do not care about their troops, whereas the Ukrainians could easily lose most of a generation in all this... It all evens out to mean right now no one is making much in advances.

What has been striking is how poorly prepared the Russians were. There equipment and training is much worse than anyone expected.

Even more striking is how determined and innovative the Ukrainians have been. But even the innovation has been a double edged sword. Russians have taken those innovations and copied them quickly.

More bullshit from the bullshit pontificator. Link to this buffoonish nonsense?

https://www.economist.com/europe/2025/09/23/ukraine-faces-deepening-military-political-and-economic-problems

Come on, it is nearly universally acknowledged that the remainder of the Russian Black Sea Navy is cowering as far away as they can... But here is a link:

https://www.economist.com/europe/2025/09/23/ukraine-faces-deepening-military-political-and-economic-problems

Stuck on MORON.

Ukraine faces deepening military, political and economic problems​

It has consistently knocked out 10 to 20% of Russian oil production. Along with sanctions, the Russians are so busy with repairs they cannot invest in increasing oil production. It is even becoming more difficult for them to do the repairs. We may see a gradual rise from 20% even higher.

And the Ukrainian ability to strike deep into Russia is showing the Russian people, Russian government, and the rest of the world that Ukraine is not defeated. It means Putin must keep military forces throughout Russia.

Not to mention that the Ukrainians are attacking more than just oil production. They are regularly taking out Russian planes on the runway. They hit Russian military trains. The strike the Russian military deep inside Russia.


I disagree with the point. You claim Russia is not successful, because for some reason they are not trying. I claim they are not successful, because they are not that powerful. We disagree.

I wish we could find a link to that tiny brain between your big ears.