The Wealth Machine

PoliTalker said:
People who set out to be fabulously rich, and then find a way to do it?

-Probably have compromised ethics.

People who set out to provide something ingenious, new and and innovative for humanity? And thus become fabulously rich in the process?

-I have respect for them. Very cool people.
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Oh, the if they got rich doing something I don't like, they did it unethically but if they do with what they created how I think they should, it's great mindset. Thanks for invalidating any claim you made.
 
Yakuda said:
LMFAO probably right. They just say whatever stupid shit comes into their heads and they can dont think anyone should challenge it.
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Any wealthy person that doesn't fit their ideal is someone they believe cheated to get there.

A wealthy person doing what a lefty thinks he/she should is considered of the highest moral standard.

In other words, they base their opinion not on proof of actions but on ideology.
 
CFM said:
Any wealthy person that doesn't fit their ideal is someone they believe cheated to get there.

A wealthy person doing what a lefty thinks he/she should is considered of the highest moral standard.

In other words, they base their opinion not on proof of actions but on ideology.
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Right. Ideology is their religion and consensus is the high sacrament of their religion.
 
CFM said:
In other words, you want to help the poor just with someone else footing the bill. That's the very definition of a bleeding heart.

Show your tax returns to support that claim.
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We all would foot the bill. And I don't need to show you my taxes.

Consider this: About 155.76 million Americans are employed. If each were required to contribute $1/yr towards a public fund devoted to helping the poor, that would be $155.76 million per year. If you increase that to $10/yr, this fund would be worth $1.56 billion.

That money could be used to fund programs that help homeless and poor people get on their feet. It wouldn't be "endless handouts," but it would be free money to help them find a place to live, buy new clothes, pay utilities, etc. The ultimate goal of such a program would be to help elevate the disenfranchised so that they can become productive members of society.

Is $10/yr too much to ask? I don't think so.
 
Michael_Panetta said:
We all would foot the bill. And I don't need to show you my taxes.

Consider this: About 155.76 million Americans are employed. If each were required to contribute $1/yr towards a public fund devoted to helping the poor, that would be $155.76 million per year. If you increase that to $10/yr, this fund would be worth $1.56 billion.

That money could be used to fund programs that help homeless and poor people get on their feet. It wouldn't be "endless handouts," but it would be free money to help them find a place to live, buy new clothes, pay utilities, etc. The ultimate goal of such a program would be to help elevate the disenfranchised so that they can become productive members of society.

Is $10/yr too much to ask? I don't think so.
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If you make that kind of claim you do. Just another left winger using the BISSO defense.

We, as a country, have done that to the tune of over $22 trillion dollars since 1965. The percentage in poverty in 1965 prior to wasting that money was 14%. 50 years later in 2015, very little had changed.

I see your mistake. It's not about the amount, it's about the principle. When someone like you claims to care then expects others to pay anything, you prove to me your caring is only words not deeds. You don't get to think on my behalf, son.
 
PoliTalker said:
Let's look at some basic logic.

Suppose an individual had the goal of becoming fabulously rich.

How would this be done?

Obviously, working for somebody else would not make that happen.

The individual would have to set up a 'Wealth Machine.'

That would usually mean building a system that collects some money from as many other individuals as possible.

It could be a little bit from a lot of people (Jeff Bezos.)

Or it could be a lot from selected individuals (The American Health Care System, where people have partial coverage and require expensive services.)

It would be detrimental to the function of The Wealth Machine to care about the concerns of the individuals affected by The Wealth Machine.

Individuals with partial coverage requiring expensive health care would then have to forfeit their life savings to The Wealth Machine.

Great for getting super-rich, not great for those affected.
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so closing mom and pop shops and restaurants is obviously the right thing to do.
 
CFM said:
If you make that kind of claim you do. Just another left winger using the BISSO defense.

We, as a country, have done that to the tune of over $22 trillion dollars since 1965. The percentage in poverty in 1965 prior to wasting that money was 14%. 50 years later in 2015, very little had changed.

I see your mistake. It's not about the amount, it's about the principle. When someone like you claims to care then expects others to pay anything, you prove to me your caring is only words not deeds. You don't get to think on my behalf, son.
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I don't know what BISSO is. I also don't care to check your claims because you just enjoy arguing.
 
Michael_Panetta said:
I don't know what BISSO is. I also don't care to check your claims because you just enjoy arguing.
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Because I said so. That's the source you're using if you make a claim then refuse to back it up with verifiable proof.

You don't have to check my claims. You can look at a source.

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An individual could get fabulously rich by controlling lots of other people's money, perhaps buying lots of smaller businesses, put them all into one larger company, reduce the number of managers, stop giving raises, cut benefits, replace higher paid older workers with lower paid younger ones, that sort of thing.

Or an individual could get fabulously rich by being really creative and entertaining, possibly coming up with a popular new style of singing and performing, not ripping off anybody, simply being entertaining enough to get a lot of people interested in the performance.

If each of the described methods for getting rich earned the same amount of money, the cold-hearted company would pay far less tax than the individual who earned it as personal income.

Doesn't seem right, does it?
 
PoliTalker said:
An individual could get fabulously rich by controlling lots of other people's money, perhaps buying lots of smaller businesses, put them all into one larger company, reduce the number of managers, stop giving raises, cut benefits, replace higher paid older workers with lower paid younger ones, that sort of thing.

Or an individual could get fabulously rich by being really creative and entertaining, possibly coming up with a popular new style of singing and performing, not ripping off anybody, simply being entertaining enough to get a lot of people interested in the performance.

If each of the described methods for getting rich earned the same amount of money, the cold-hearted company would pay far less tax than the individual who earned it as personal income.

Doesn't seem right, does it?
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and locking down mom and pop shops and restaurants helps how?
 
Michael_Panetta said:
That chart doesn't support your claim.
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So approximately 14% doesn't equal approximately 14%? Is that your claim.

Interesting how you say it doesn't but can't provide any explanation. Am I supposed to accept it because you said it. Sorry, boy, I don't take the word of bleeding heart liberals that claim to care for people then expect others to fund what he supports.
 
CFM said:
So approximately 14% doesn't equal approximately 14%? Is that your claim.

Interesting how you say it doesn't but can't provide any explanation. Am I supposed to accept it because you said it. Sorry, boy, I don't take the word of bleeding heart liberals that claim to care for people then expect others to fund what he supports.
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Get Trump's dick out of your mouth and breathe. You never explained how a chart showing poverty levels in the US suggests that poverty programs are not working.
 
Grokmaster said:
FOR THE BIDENS , AND THE REST OF THE SLEAZOCRATS, IT'S "GO INTO POLITICS AND GET RICH"...IT'S BEEN SELL INFLUENCE TO OUR ENEMIES....ETC.

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Nobody knows what trump was worth before and what he is now. Hillary and Bill wrote successful books and are highly sought after speakers.
Obama did the same thing. He wrote books and gets paid to speak. They both released their taxes. We know what they were doing.
Trump built walls around his finances after promising he would show his taxes. Can you guess which ones finances are in question?
 
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