The West’s Green Delusions Empowered Putin

Barfly said:
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People won't feel that way in a few decades.
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Did your Magic 8 Ball™ tell you that, drunkard?


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dukkha said:
I wish we could get rid of the Progs and their insane agenda. Biden is too weak and stupid to stand upto them

energy suicide. how can a country as smart and practical like Germany do such a whacked out policy?

we are down from peak production significantly.
Dumb ass policies
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Post #27. 'Nuff said.
 
dukkha said:
I wish we could get rid of the Progs and their insane agenda. Biden is too weak and stupid to stand upto them

energy suicide. how can a country as smart and practical like Germany do such a whacked out policy?

we are down from peak production significantly.
Dumb ass policies
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Poor druggie and alckie
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It gets worse when you realize that oil doesn't just provide energy but a whole plethora of other materials and goods that modern society needs. Many of these are economical to make because we use oil for energy. Without that use, these would become far more expensive, and maybe even prohibitively expensive. For example, plastics use about 4 to 8% of oil production. If oil for energy ended and just 4 to 8% of current production remained to make plastics, how much higher would the cost of oil per barrel be?

Then comes the question of waste. If oil for energy ended, but production for other purposes continued, what do you do with those portions of the oil after distillation that are no longer needed like gasoline, diesel, etc.? Do we burn it off? That creates the problem we wanted to solve by ending oil for energy use. Do we dump it somewhere? If so, where and how much pollution does that create?
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Dumb as usual. If oil did not fuel autos, there would be more available then theoretically would make lubricants and plastics cheaper, not more expensive. We would have a glut of oil.
 
Nordberg said:
Dumb as usual. If oil did not fuel autos, there would be more available then theoretically would make lubricants and plastics cheaper, not more expensive. We would have a glut of oil.
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Wrong! The amount of oil needed for plastic wouldn't change. Also, the fractional distillate method used to extract what is used for plastics means that most of the oil ends up a waste product.

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So, the waste products from what oil is refined skyrocket. This means that the cost of the remaining products goes up to cover the process while most of what's produced ends up waste. Oil production would also plummet as a result. Even if it didn't, that the refiners can only sell a small fraction of what they previously did means that the cost of that fraction bears the entire cost of refinement rather than that being spread over a far larger amount of products previously produced.
 
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