The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast

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Aoxomoxoa said:
Yet that is exactly what happend in this recent case in England.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...men-pre-conviction-anonymity-rape-trials.html
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What about Jimmy Savile? I read that young girls complained about him but authorities protected him. Jerry Sandusky also, so it doesn't seem like I'm giving Americans a pass.

"We now know that Savile is one of the worst-ever sex attackers in Britain. A man who is suspected of raping 34 women and girls, and sexually assaulting up to 450 people, including children as young as eight."
 
Darla said:
He also said regarding Soon-Yi that he felt there was no moral dilemma in his sexual relationship with her. That the fact that she was his girlfriend's stepdaughter was a fact with no import. Let's say you are involved with a woman, and let's even say you never actually were a step father to the girl you knew since she was a child ( I don't believe that in this instance for a minute, but hypothetically best case scenerio), and you begin a sexual relationship with your long time girlfriend's teenage daughter..

can any man here really say that this is not a moral dilemma and that it is a fact with no import?

Come on.

I think that the statements this guy has made about the affair with Soon Yi alone show that he simply has no moral compass at all.

I would think that if this happened to any normal human being it would cause a moral dilemma.

I'd like any man here to be able to state they could fuck their gf's teenaged daughter and feel that it was not a morally bad situation that caused them a tremendous amount of guilt and torment. I think Allen's known actions that are not in dispute speak very loudly.
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I think Allen's missing a morality chip. The man was in psychoanalysis for decades, bet his doctor could tell some stories.
 
Everyone's known Allen has got issues his whole career. My dad hates him, while my uncle admires his work, so I always got two opinions of him. My dad would compare him to Jack Nicholson, and point out that while both men play psychopaths on film, at least you always knew that Nicholson was acting.
 
Superfreak said:
Except that Ronan DOESN'T beg to differ you moron. It was RONAN that reopened this whole issue. It was RONAN's actions (via twitter) in SUPPORT of his sister that prompted Dylan to write the letter. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
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I haven't followed this in minute detail but what's Ronan's angle in reopening the private matters of his now-adult sister? I'm not taking Allen's side, I think he's a pos but have to wonder if this is to deflect from the topic that Ronan may actually be Sinatra's son. Protecting his mother from allegations about her possibly sleazy past behaviour, maybe.
 
christiefan915 said:
I haven't followed this in minute detail but what's Ronan's angle in reopening the private matters of his now-adult sister? I'm not taking Allen's side, I think he's a pos but have to wonder if this is to deflect from the topic that Ronan may actually be Sinatra's son. Protecting his mother from allegations about her possibly sleazy past behaviour, maybe.
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While that could be... my guess is that just seeing Woody get a lifetime achievement award made him take a shot. He has always stood by and for his sister.
 
christiefan915 said:
What about Jimmy Savile? I read that young girls complained about him but authorities protected him. Jerry Sandusky also, so it doesn't seem like I'm giving Americans a pass.

"We now know that Savile is one of the worst-ever sex attackers in Britain. A man who is suspected of raping 34 women and girls, and sexually assaulting up to 450 people, including children as young as eight."
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There is absolutely no comparison between Jimmy Savile and the others that have been tried or are being tried as a result of Operation Yewtree. Savile was a true psychopath and a monster, how he got away with his activities for so long is just amazing.

Look at William Roache, who has played Ken Barlow in Coronation Street for over fifty years. The charges against him date back to the sixties, under US law they wouldn't be allowed anyway due to the Statute of Limitations. What is going on now is just a witchhunt initiated by the police and authorities who were so complacent with regards to Savile whilst he was alive.

As an aside, in the first London Marathon I ran back in the '80s I passed Jimmy Savile who was making a mobile phone call to his auntie in Australia whilst on BBC Radio 2. I have to say he was a very odd character but because he did so much charity work he got away with it.

http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-...istoric-sexual-offences-five-females-preston/
 
Superfreak said:
1) It is his word vs. the word of Mia, Mia's mom and most importantly... Dylan

2) Ronan does not support him as you suggested. He is the one that started this up again by supporting his SISTER DYLAN.

3) You are crazy to think that someone would coach a 7 year old or make up something like this just to win a custody battle.
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I have to disagree with #3. There are most definitely people who would sink that low to win a custody battle. In fact, I knew a woman who was going to do it although she was going to have the son claim physical, not sexual abuse.
 
christiefan915 said:
I haven't followed this in minute detail but what's Ronan's angle in reopening the private matters of his now-adult sister? I'm not taking Allen's side, I think he's a pos but have to wonder if this is to deflect from the topic that Ronan may actually be Sinatra's son. Protecting his mother from allegations about her possibly sleazy past behaviour, maybe.
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I don't think that having Frank Sinatra's child is anything she'd be embarrassed about. She's been very open about that relationship and the fact that it never really ended. It's got to be tough to watch the man you know molested your sister receive these accolades. I think they finally had it. Dylan said as much in her NY Times letter. She can't take it anymore and wanted to end the silence.
 
Superfreak said:
The bolded is my belief as well. Polanski is another that should be castrated with his balls stuffed down his throat until he chokes to death on them.
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IMO another really bad thing about Polanski is that the victim went public as an adult and stated he shouldn't be punished for what he did.
 
christiefan915 said:
I have to disagree with #3. There are most definitely people who would sink that low to win a custody battle. In fact, I knew a woman who was going to do it although she was going to have the son claim physical, not sexual abuse.
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I am not saying they won't lie and maybe even say physical abuse... but sexual abuse? Especially as specific as sticking his finger up her ass while rubbing lotion on her, while she was naked... which brings us to the question... WTF was a seven year old doing naked with him in the first place?
 
christiefan915 said:
I haven't followed this in minute detail but what's Ronan's angle in reopening the private matters of his now-adult sister? I'm not taking Allen's side, I think he's a pos but have to wonder if this is to deflect from the topic that Ronan may actually be Sinatra's son. Protecting his mother from allegations about her possibly sleazy past behaviour, maybe.
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I think that you are absolutely correct, it just smacks of opportunism. She was obviously seeing Sinatra in all the time she was with Allen, so you have to question her honesty.
 
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