The would be AG was a child sex predator

Daylight63 said:
And it is insufficient that they die of old age behind bars?



Unforgivable? I take it you are not pro-life.



It's not like Trump didn't know about Gaetz predilections BEFORE the report was issued. Trump knew who he was appointing.



You are correct. So far it is mainly political gifts to family members (like Charles Kushner, a former felon until Trump pardoned him), or to it's incompetents who don't know what they are doing.

But the minute he appoints someone who is actually capable and not just a sop for the fam I'll reconsider.



"disastrous administration". OMG give it a break, Cletus. You have lost perspective.



It's not a fucking reprieve. When a death sentence is commuted THE PERSON DOESN'T GO FREE.

You just seem to want DEATH IMMEDIATELY. You won't be happy until you see them die. You can't possibly wait while they DIE IN PRISON since that is not DEAD ENOUGH for you.

You might wish to get some help.



NOT FROM INSIDE THE FUCKING PRISON. Which is where they will be. Their sentences were commuted from death to LIFE IN PRISON

LIFE IN PRISON. Read that again. LIFE IN PRISON.



You clearly can't be trusted to understand what you are talking about.
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Ok.. we'll just
have to agree to disagree... They do not deserve to die of old age... They were given the death penalty and that's what should happen
 
TOP said:
Ok.. we'll just
have to agree to disagree
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Apparently so. You seem to really want the people on death row to be killed real bad. Not sure why you need that (I'll assume all of them committed crimes that affected you directly so you can't just accept that they will die in prison, you want them dead NOW).

TOP said:
... They do not deserve to die of old age
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So denying them freedom for decades and never letting them be free is insufficient torture for their crimes?

TOP said:
... They were given the death penalty and that's what should happen
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OK.
 
Daylight63 said:
Apparently so. You seem to really want the people on death row to be killed real bad. Not sure why you need that (I'll assume all of them committed crimes that affected you directly so you can't just accept that they will die in prison, you want them dead NOW).



So denying them freedom for decades and never letting them be free is insufficient torture for their crimes?



OK.
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I think if you are given the death penalty it's because it was determined that the crime warranted that... This wasn't my family but it was someone's... (although actually one of the police officers killed was from our town...) Denying them freedom is not sufficient.... They were given a sentence and eventually should have been given a date... And an end.... And I think the families of the victims would agree.... Horrible horrible decisions on Joe's part... or whoever made the call...
 
TOP said:
I think if you are given the death penalty it's because it was determined that the crime warranted that... This wasn't my family but it was someone's... (although actually one of the police officers killed was from our town...) Denying them freedom is not sufficient.... They were given a sentence and eventually should have been given a date... And an end.... And I think the families of the victims would agree.... Horrible horrible decisions on Joe's part... or whoever made the call...
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Maybe Joe is just being....Christian.
 
Daylight63 said:
Hence the COMMUTATION.

You don't seem to understand that these people's sentences were NOT SET ASIDE, they ARE NOT GOING FREE. THEY ARE NOT INNOCENT.

The sentences were COMMUTED from death to LIFE IN PRISON.

Why does it matter if they die in 3 years or 30 years? They're going to die in prison either way.
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It matters to the families.... And that's all that matters...
 
AProudLefty said:
One innocent is too many.
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US law is based mainly upon English law, especially Blackstone's ratio: It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.

A point most MAGAts fail to comprehend as the Cato link below illustrates:
The American system, grounded in the British Common Law, has long erred on the side of protecting innocence. Thus we presume an accused person's innocence until they are proven guilty. As the preeminent English jurist William Blackstone wrote,"Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer."74 This principle can also be found in religious texts and in the writings of the American Founders.75 Benjamin Franklin went further arguing "it is better a hundred guilty persons should escape than one innocent person should suffer."...

....The survey found that a majority (60%) of Americans say it would be worse to have 20,000 innocent people in prison, while 40% say it would be worse to have 20,000 people who are actually guilty but not in prison....

...Majorities of Democrats (64%), independents (60%), and Republicans (55%) all agree that it's worse to imprison 20,000 innocent people than allow 20,000 guilty people go free. ...

...Donald Trump's early core supporters (from November 2015) stand out with a majority (52%) who say it's worse to not punish the guilty. They are distinct from other Republican voters. For instance, a majority (65%) of Ted Cruz's early core supporters say it's worse to imprison the innocent.79

People who care more about punishing guilty people also tend to be less concerned about due process.


This last part is why it's clear that MAGAts are enemies of the Constitution. American should be ready to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, in any and all manners.
 
Damocles said:
I'm not trying to excuse.
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Gaetz has no background in criminal law, with one major exception. He has put a huge amount of work into figuring out ways to sexually molest children with plausible deniability. I am not sure that should count as acceptable criminal law experience to be the Attorney General of the United States of America.

Damocles said:
I am wondering why he wasn't charged if the "findings" are so clear.
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It is impossible politically to charge him in Florida, and I guess he is a better lawyer than we gave him credit for being. He found a lot of ways to manufacture plausible deniability.

Damocles said:
My guess is this cannot prove guilt
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You might be sort of right outside Florida. Gaetz could rape a child while sitting on DeSantos, and it would be fine in Florida. Outside of Florida, he needs to manufacture that one or two percent plausible deniability to get around provable beyond a reasonable doubt. He does tricks like never flying on the same plane that the underage girl he is transporting over state lines, and such.
 
TOP said:
It matters to the families.... And that's all that matters...
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Dead is dead.

But I get it. A lot of people want VENGEANCE. And I don't blame 'em I guess. Why don't we set aside the bar on cruel and unusual punishment as well? I bet that will heal some wounds in ways that simply killing the badguys won't achieve!
 
Damocles said:
I'm not trying to excuse. I am wondering why he wasn't charged if the "findings" are so clear. My guess is this cannot prove guilt, it can only cast aspersions, but I really do not know. I personally do not give one whit about Gaetz, nor do I blame Trump for what they have "found" about Gaetz.
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He was investigated by the feds, who have no jurisdiction over state crimes (which this report stated they found evidence of). It is up to the state of FL to decide whether to prosecute him or not. Now if it was true that he caused the girl to cross state lines for "immoral purposes," then it might fall under federal jurisdiction.
 
Daylight63 said:
Dead is dead.

But I get it. A lot of people want VENGEANCE. And I don't blame 'em I guess. Why don't we set aside the bar on cruel and unusual punishment as well? I bet that will heal some wounds in ways that simply killing the badguys won't achieve!
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 That's not
Exactly true... This isn't about vengeance... There's nothing that will bring the families back or make it right...The death sentence isn't cruel and unusual.... And that was the determined punishment... Slaughtering someone's family is cruel and unusual...
 
Damocles said:
I'm not trying to excuse. I am wondering why he wasn't charged if the "findings" are so clear. My guess is this cannot prove guilt, it can only cast aspersions, but I really do not know. I personally do not give one whit about Gaetz, nor do I blame Trump for what they have "found" about Gaetz.
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Same reason Bill Clinton wasn't convicted at his impeachment and Pedo Don was never able to lock Hillary up.

Prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is the measure that must be attained. If there's not enough evidence to convict Hillary or Gaetz of their crimes beyond a reasonable doubt, then it's a waste of taxpayer money to take them to trial.

There's also the problem of Double Jeopardy. Better to not bring charges at all and look for more evidence than to go to trial, fail and the asshole goes free forever.

Jeez, Damo, I'm not a lawyer and even I can understand this. Why not you?
 
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