They claim the American left don’t believe in God.

TOP said:
Faith in God...
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Based on what?

i asked several questions above that would be indicative of new found beliefs or affirmations of prior beliefs about his church or the types of comments he has made.

Try and answer those questions or if you cannot, give us any other signs you have seen that would suggest Trump has found faith and god?

Surely there are things he has said that you consider evidence of this and you would not be making this up, right?
 
QP! said:
Based on what?

i asked several questions above that would be indicative of new found beliefs or affirmations of prior beliefs about his church or the types of comments he has made.

Try and answer those questions or if you cannot, give us any other signs you have seen that would suggest Trump has found faith and god?

Surely there are things he has said that you consider evidence of this and you would not be making this up, right?
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Have you not seen him express His beliefs and faith in God? Anyone who has a near death experience would....
 
Jarod said:
Define God?

Does the PP behave like he believes in “God”?

I know he gives lip service to “God” but do you really believe that.
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Donald Trump's god is mammon. It's all he worships. All who worship him are following evil.

Matthew 6:24
“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."
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Phantasmal said:
If you paid attention, you would know it’s on a decline, churches are closing, others are having financial problems because attendance is down and young people aren’t embracing religion.

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Interesting article. I'd note that the move away from dogmatic religions does not equate to a rise in atheism.

From the link:
Megachurches could take membership hits in the future if younger Americans feel they're being forced to accept religion in public spaces, Chesnut predicted.
  • "I think evangelicals are going to pay the price for so closely hitching their wagon to MAGA," he said.
  • "If you're making kids pray in school, as I've learned anytime I make my kids do something, they'll do the opposite."
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Donald Trump's god is mammon. It's all he worships. All who worship him are following evil.

Matthew 6:24
“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."
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I do think he’s facing his mortality these days, he thinks he’s doing good works by embracing evangelicals and they can help him make a deal to keep him out of hell.
 
Phantasmal said:
I do think he’s facing his mortality these days, he thinks he’s doing good works by embracing evangelicals and they can help him make a deal to keep him out of hell.
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The evil in his heart can't be eliminated by giving money to the Evangelicals. He proves his worship of the Dark Lord with his treatment of brown people and murder of human beings.
 
That's interesting... How are the people who abandoned their religion, their faith, and their God going to make a deal to Get into Heaven?
 
TOP said:
Have you not seen him express His beliefs and faith in God? Anyone who has a near death experience would....
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Haha so your entire evidence is him 'expressing his belief in faith and god'... FLOL are you ever daft and gullible.

Faith and belief in god is NOT expressed in words only and is expressed in actions that demonstrate you follow the beliefs.
 
QP! said:
Haha so your entire evidence is him 'expressing his belief in faith and god'... FLOL are you ever daft and gullible.

Faith and belief in god is NOT expressed in words only and is expressed in actions that demonstrate you follow the beliefs.
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It's expressed in many ways as a matter of fact.... It's good that you recognize that.... Considering that neither one of us are with him at all times you or I really don't know how he can demonstrates his faith... And also considering that no one of faith is a perfect person I'm going to stay with the belief that his faith is pretty darn strong....
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Atheist? I'd say Trump is secular. That is, he doesn't give a shit about religion one way or the other. Atheists have a religious belief there is no god and actively defend that position.
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That is not a proper definition of atheism.

Atheism/agnostic which have so many competing parses of their definition, all basically are formed on a foundation of them not believing in a deity without proof of that deity being presented.

So whether it is the Christian god, the Scientology god, the Mormon god, or the Spaghetti Monster as god, the atheist/Agnostic, says 'i won't believe in any of them without proof'.

The Christian/Scientologist/Mormon all say - i believe in my god without proof but do not believe in the other 3 without proof.
All of them including the Atheist do not believe in the Spaghetti monster god without proof.


Then each of the religious people point at the Atheist and try to label them differently despite the fact they all do believe in dozens and dozens of gods, without proof and only disagree over 1 single god. The one that religious person believes in.
 
TOP said:
It's expressed in many ways as a matter of fact.... It's good that you recognize that.... Considering that neither one of us are with him at all times you or I really don't know how he can demonstrates his faith... And also considering that no one of faith is a perfect person I'm going to stay with the belief that his faith is pretty darn strong....
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Except for words only.

Words only not tied to actions do not provide any proof of religious beliefs or belief in god. I hope you learn to recognize that.

And i see you cannot identify a single thing other than words, which i knew to be the case but wanted to let you try and fail, which you did.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Atheist? I'd say Trump is secular. That is, he doesn't give a shit about religion one way or the other. Atheists have a religious belief there is no god and actively defend that position.
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Don't get them started on whether they don't believe in gods, or whether they disbelieve in gods :palm:
 
QP! said:
That is not a proper definition of atheism.

Atheism/agnostic which have so many competing parses of their definition, all basically are formed on a foundation of them not believing in a deity without proof of that deity being presented.

So whether it is the Christian god, the Scientology god, the Mormon god, or the Spaghetti Monster as god, the atheist/Agnostic, says 'i won't believe in any of them without proof'.

The Christian/Scientologist/Mormon all say - i believe in my god without proof but do not believe in the other 3 without proof.
All of them including the Atheist do not believe in the Spaghetti monster god without proof.


Then each of the religious people point at the Atheist and try to label them differently despite the fact they all do believe in dozens and dozens of gods, without proof and only disagree over 1 single god. The one that religious person believes in.
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I disagree with you on this, QP.

Atheists use the self-descriptor "atheist" because they "believe" that there are no gods...or they "believe" it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one. Neither of those things can be substantiated any more than a "belief" that there is a God of some kind.

I don't use a descriptor. I simply state my position on the issue.

I do not know if any GOD (or gods) exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect that gods cannot exist…that the existence of a GOD or gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that at least one GOD must exist...that the existence of at least one GOD is needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on whether any gods exist or not...nor do I see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess about which is more likely…so I do not guess on either of those things.

(When I use the word "GOD or gods" here, I mean "The entity (or entities) responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe'...IF SUCH AN ENTITY OR ENTITIES ACTUALLY EXIST.)

Obviously it is an agnostic position, but I do not use a descriptor because of the definitional problems you mentioned.
 
Jarod said:
What is heaven? Is there a gate code to get in?
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Oh no... You don't believe in Heaven? No Rainbow Bridge? No code necessary.... We are welcomed home.... I'm surprised as a follower of Kwanzaa principles you aren’t familiar with homegoing....
 
TOP said:
Oh no... You don't believe in Heaven? No Rainbow Bridge? No code necessary.... We are welcomed home.... I'm surprised as a follower of Kwanzaa principles you aren’t familiar with homegoing....
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Where did you draw that conclusion from? I asked two questions, which you saw but refused to answer.

Sad.
 
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