"They're not working": Trump accuses federal workings of slacking after he spent the day golfing

Damocles said:
Says someone who hasn't watched him do a presser while signing documents. The difference between Dementia Joe and Trump has never been so clear... He didn't have one note, no crotch notes, no teleprompter and was distracted by people handing him stuff to sign, they'd tell him what it was, he'd answer a question, sometimes two or three about something, sign the document then tell you what it was that he just signed.

Musk has been doing his job, Trump has been doing his... For instance, Musk was not there when he called Columbian government and told them what was going to happen if they did not take back their illegal immigrants... while he was golfing. He was doing the job of the President at that time.

Anyway, watching the man work I almost wish he wasn't someone that suggested to shut down the constitution when he thought someone stole an election...
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How did you feel about him saying just take the guns away and ask questions later?
 
Magats_Love_NHB said:
Magats aren't getting fired. Don't worry

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If they aren't needed we need to cut them loose. The Federal Government is too bloated.
 
Damocles said:
Says someone who hasn't watched him do a presser while signing documents. The difference between Dementia Joe and Trump has never been so clear... He didn't have one note, no crotch notes, no teleprompter and was distracted by people handing him stuff to sign, they'd tell him what it was, he'd answer a question, sometimes two or three about something, sign the document then tell you what it was that he just signed.

Musk has been doing his job, Trump has been doing his... For instance, Musk was not there when he called Columbian government and told them what was going to happen if they did not take back their illegal immigrants... while he was golfing. He was doing the job of the President at that time.

Anyway, watching the man work I almost wish he wasn't someone that suggested to shut down the constitution when he thought someone stole an election...
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Trump is really a clown. He has no idea what he's doing - he just does it w/ confidence, which fools millions.
 
Tbird19482 said:
Then WHY isn't he doing his job MUSK is the one running the country NOT Trump.
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Not even close. Musk is working on cutting waste in government, Trump is doing his job, getting his nominations confirmed, putting more forward, signing orders, calling foreign leaders, sending Secretary of State around to make deals...

I know it is confusing, he should be lying on a beach in Delaware ignoring the world studying for his next speech two months away... but we fired that guy and hired Trump. Mostly because folks figured out the BS you were playing putting a man with dementia in that office. If y'all hadn't kept gaslighting the nation and had dumped the dementia patient in year one when it became painfully obvious he couldn't do the job I don't think we'd have to suffer 4 more years of Trump...
 
BartenderElite said:
Trump is really a clown. He has no idea what he's doing - he just does it w/ confidence, which fools millions.
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One thing was clear, he didn't have dementia. That part was refreshing after the four years you all put us through. I will forever blame the Democrats for these four years, if y'all hadn't kept gaslighting us with fictional renderings of the awesome brainpower of Dementia Joe I think we'd be looking at a different President today.
 
Damocles said:
One thing was clear, he didn't have dementia. That part was refreshing after the four years you all put us through. I will forever blame the Democrats for these four years, if y'all hadn't kept gaslighting us with fictional renderings of the awesome brainpower of Dementia Joe I think we'd be looking at a different President today.
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I don't think it's clear at all that Trump isn't in the early stages of dementia.
 
FastLane said:
Direct quote please.
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Did Trump Say 'We're Going to Take the Firearms First and Then Go to Court'?​

Red flag laws allow law enforcement agencies to act on court orders and remove guns from people considered a harm to themselves or others.​

David Mikkelson​

Published Jan. 23, 2020​

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Claim:
U.S. President Donald Trump said "We're going to take the firearms first and then go to court."
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In recent years, many states in the U.S. have responded to multiple incidents of mass shootings by passing "red flag laws" intended to provide a means by which potentially dangerous (and armed) persons could be legally restricted prior to their engaging in harmful acts:

They are state laws that authorize courts to issue a special type of protection order, allowing the police to temporarily confiscate firearms from people who are deemed by a judge to be a danger to themselves or to others.

Often, the request for the order will come from relatives or friends concerned about a loved one who owns one or more guns and has expressed suicidal thoughts or discussed shooting people. The authorities may also request an order.

How long the guns are taken away under these “extreme risk protection orders” depends on the circumstances, and can usually be extended only after another court hearing. The orders also bar the person they cover from purchasing guns
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In general, red flag laws authorize courts to issue a special type of protection order that allows police to temporarily confiscate firearms from persons deemed by judges to be a danger to themselves or to others. Advocates argue that such laws can help save lives without infringing on civil liberties, while opponents maintain that "red flag" seizures violate constitutional due process guarantees.

In February 2018, a few weeks after a mass shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida left 17 people dead, U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence Trump met with lawmakers to discuss the subjects of gun laws and school safety. Nikolas Cruz, the suspected shooter, had been able to legally purchase an AR-15 style semi-automatic rifle even though local police had previously received multiple calls about his potentially dangerous behavior, a subject that Trump and Pence discussed at that meeting.

As can be seen in this video clip, Pence began speaking on the subject of how red flag laws were one mechanism that might provide "local law enforcement additional tools if an individual is reported to be a potential danger" while still allowing for due process. Trump interrupted and twice expressed the desirability of being able to take firearms away from citizens first and not involving the courts until afterward:

Pence: Well, the category you spoke about Mr. President -- the gun violence restraining orders as they're called -- California actually has a version of this, and I think you ... in your meeting with governors earlier this week, individually and as a group we spoke about the state's taking steps. But the focus is to literally give families and give local law enforcement additional tools if an individual is reported to be a potential danger to themselves or others. Allow due process so that no one's rights are trampled, but [allow] the ability to go to court, obtain an order, and then collect not only the firearms, but any weapons in the possession ...

Trump: We're going to take the firearms first and then go to court, because that's another system. Because a lot of times by the time you go to court ... it takes so long to go to court to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man's case that just took place in Florida; he had a lot of fires [and] they saw everything. To go to court would have taken a long time, so you could do exactly what you're saying but take the guns first, go through due process second.
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What Trump might have meant by his interjection here is difficult to discern. Critics of red flag laws have argued that even though court proceedings may be required before firearms are confiscated from residents, those proceedings don't meet the standards of "due process" because respondents are not guaranteed representation in court (since such proceedings are civil rather than criminal), and they do not have the right to fully argue their cases in court before confiscation orders are issued and acted upon.

Perhaps Trump meant that initial court involvement should only be cursory in such cases to facilitate the necessity of acting quickly, while fuller court hearings could wait until after the potential danger has been neutralized. But the language he used certainly sounded to many like Trump was advocating that law enforcement be allowed to confiscate guns from citizens without any prior court involvement whatsoever.
 
BartenderElite said:
I don't think it's clear at all that Trump isn't in the early stages of dementia.
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I think the comparison with him doing a presser while signing those documents as opposed to Joe being guided away from the press by the Easter bunny is enough to tell me that I have less to worry about in that department than I ever did with Dementia Joe. Y'all gaslighted us, folks figured it out early on and every time you just kept doubling down on it. It took him not taking a full month "vacation" to study and resetting his sleep schedule and building up the drugs necessary to make it so he was most lucid during debate time to finally get even the Democrats worried that they couldn't keep up the facade.

Then you bait and switched and didn't give even your own party members a choice in who would run... <smh>

Forever, I will remind you constantly how you kept a dementia patient in that office and tried to gaslight the American people for four years and lost.
 
Damocles said:
I think the comparison with him doing a presser while signing those documents as opposed to Joe being guided away from the press by the Easter bunny is enough to tell me that I have less to worry about in that department than I ever did with Dementia Joe. Y'all gaslighted us, folks figured it out early on and every time you just kept doubling down on it. It took him not taking a full month "vacation" to study and resetting his sleep schedule and building up the drugs necessary to make it so he was most lucid during debate time to finally get even the Democrats worried that they couldn't keep up the facade.

Then you bait and switched and didn't give even your own party members a choice in who would run... <smh>

Forever, I will remind you constantly how you kept a dementia patient in that office and tried to gaslight the American people for four years and lost.
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You are using "you" pretty carelessly there.

Spare me the lectures. You're in MAGA now. That is the definition of disgrace.
 
BartenderElite said:
You are using "you" pretty carelessly there.

Spare me the lectures. You're in MAGA now. That is the definition of disgrace.
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I blame you for four more years of Trump. You are more "maga" than I am... I warned you from the jump the man had dementia, you (plural you, democrats) told us it was "cheap fakes"...
 
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