In most states, you haven't lost your freedom. In some, you really have.
This is how you do a protest
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In most states, you haven't lost your freedom. In some, you really have.
Well, unless you have a FFL. Certain types of FFLs allow you to not only buy more powerful weapons than SWAT teams typically have, but you can make them as well.
But I agree with you in general.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
But we also have accessories that make it extremely easy to kill large groups of people.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Well America does have more mass shootings than any other first world country.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Which states would you say the people don't have freedom?
SmarterthanYou
rebel
define 'freedom', because you obviously don't consider infringements on certain constitutional rights as something that hampers freedom
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Yeah, I don't care about muh constitution. But defining freedom is pretty tricky. I'd say America is a free country when compared to the rest of the world, but I also think it's completely insane that we don't have the right to do drugs, engage in prostitution, or choose who we want to associate with. So what is freedom? I don't know. But I do know that gun control isn't the cause of us not having as many rights as we should.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
this pretty much tells me that you don't like freedom. it scares you. you prefer subjugated slavery by a government that gives you permissions with the promise of security theater.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
No, it means that I know muh constitution doesn't secure our freedom. It's a piece of paper used as propaganda. Every president ignores it.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
No, it means that I know muh constitution doesn't secure our freedom. It's a piece of paper used as propaganda. Every president ignores it.
thus the reason for the 2nd Amendment and why every gun law is unconstitutional. presidents, congress, judges, states, even counties and cities can't ignore their limitations if they can be met with deadly force for trying
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
No, having guns doesn't make us more free.
But the fact that everyone ignores muh constitution just shows how useless it is. Trump is probably going to keep his job because muh constitution doesn't force politicians to do the right thing.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
then you don't understand freedom...........nor do you understand the balance of power.
the constitution gets ignored for two reasons.......people like you don't care about 'muh' constitution, or people are ignorant of the constitution. then to top it off, most of y'all rip in to the people who DO care and understand it with labels of 'crazy'...........so you're probably just beyond help.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
I understand that, historically speaking, an armed citizenry has been more likely to cause tyranny, not prevent it. And really, do you think your guns are any match for the military?
There are way more people who claim they care about muh constitution than people like me. And still, it hasn't succeeded in holding politicians accountable.
When Bush enacted the Patriot Act, there was no backlash from an armed militia of constitution-lovers. Same thing with Obama and his drone program. I'm positive that when Trump is let off the hook for the Ukraine scandal, it will be the same.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
examples?
absolutely, because people don't seem to understand how guerilla warfare works. of course if we had machine guns and other infantry hand held weapons, we wouldn't need to worry about having to defend ourselves from government.
because of that balance of power. were any group of people to decide to resist an 'unconstitutional' act against them, you (and many like you) would immediately brand them terrorists. the media would blare it 24/7, so much so that victory would almost be impossible.
the people who did verbally protest were labeled 'crazy'.......................from both sides left/right. probably because you're comfortable with the slavery you're in while being deluded about being free
The Second Amendment did NOTHING to end slavery... Remember?
SmarterthanYou
rebel
its hard to fight back with guns when you didn't have them in the first place.....or is that something you failed to think about?
Like what? Bump stocks? What you can do with a bump stock can also be done with a belt loop.
If you're concerned about "large groups of people being killed", however, bombs are more efficient at that. We already heavily regulate explosives, so that should be good enough.
Also, plenty of mass murderers just run over people with cars, vans, or trucks.
Sure, but the % of gun owners that engage in said shootings is minuscule. 99.99999% of them don't engage in mass shootings.
In any state that has red flag laws, your gun rights are subject to the discretion of the police. All it takes is an accusation made against you, and your guns can be seized. Most red flag laws don't allow much in the way of due process.
Eventually, you might get your guns back, but it's a long and arduous process most of the time. It's kind of similar to how abusive civil asset forfeiture laws typically are.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Then we should work on improving red flag laws, not just eliminate them altogether.