This wasn't a waste of time

Flash said:
I don't understand how there is any accountability even if the Senate votes to convict. However, since we know they don't have the votes there will be no conviction. Either way, accountability is only a symbolic concept.

The real accountability was the election result.
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Just as some consider the death penalty to be some sort of deterrent, a conviction here is necessary to send a message to future trumps. It would also serve to punish him monetarily. He'd lose a number of post presidential perks, not the least of which being a $1 million/year travel stipend.

I don't think that we'll have to worry about him ever holding office again, but a conviction would seal that.
 
This impeachment is a sham except as an exercise in shoving poop in the puppy's nose and writing history.
Don't shit in the people's house. Bad doggy. They are that dumb. Not so cute, but just as fucking dumb.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. Too old, too crazy, poor health.

Not a lawyer, but there's a lot to be said about setting precedent. The documentation in the US Senate can be played in the trial (or plea dea) for every criminal who attacked the Capitol or participated in it's support.

It's illegal to support a terrorist organization. Everyone who sent money to any terrorist front to attack the Capitol, #StoptheSteal, etc and had reasonable knowledge of the plan can be prosecuted as a terrorist. No different than sending money to ISIS or the IRA.
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Multiple intel. agencies are investigating this fully. It would be nice to have some info re. sitting politicians before the Senate trial is over.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed with all except "cement" if that means "end". This isn't over yet.

Not a lawyer but from what I saw today there was a lot of premeditation to Trump's rallies including the foreknowledge of violence. That's a lot of fucking lawsuits. Trump might die from a thousand cuts.
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There were quite a few moving parts...many of them sitting in the Senate and refusing to pay attention when House managers speak. By 'cement', I mean set in stone the facts about this heinous administration.

If you're saying that there is much more to come in the civilian courts, I agree. But there are no surprises. We've known about his crimes for years, but he had Barr running interference.
 
Althea said:
There were quite a few moving parts...many of them sitting in the Senate and refusing to pay attention when House managers speak. By 'cement', I mean set in stone the facts about this heinous administration.

If you're saying that there is much more to come in the civilian courts, I agree. But there are no surprises. We've known about his crimes for years, but he had Barr running interference.
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Now there is solid groundwork for some very serious crimes. Not just for Trump, but for all in the Trump administration who had a part.

The John Deans better start moving fast before all the best plea deals are taken. ;)
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Now there is solid groundwork for some very serious crimes. Not just for Trump, but for all in the Trump administration who had a part.

The John Deans better start moving fast before all the best plea deals are taken. ;)
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This next year is going to be fascinating for sure.
 
Althea said:
Multiple intel. agencies are investigating this fully. It would be nice to have some info re. sitting politicians before the Senate trial is over.
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No doubt justice will be done. Most of those caught so far are the stupid ones. It's those in the shadows and up the chain which will be the most entertaining over the next year.
 
Flash said:
I don't understand how there is any accountability even if the Senate votes to convict. However, since we know they don't have the votes there will be no conviction. Either way, accountability is only a symbolic concept.

The real accountability was the election result.
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Trump tried the coup AFTER the election, so no, the accountability wasn't the election result.

The accountability will be trump never holding office again, and Trump going to jail and white supremacist groups being deemed terrorist groups and hunted accordingly.
 
Jerome said:
Trump tried the coup AFTER the election, so no, the accountability wasn't the election result.

The accountability will be trump never holding office again, and Trump going to jail and white supremacist groups being deemed terrorist groups and hunted accordingly.
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You are going to be disappointed. Again.
 
Cinnabar said:
They know a lot more about Trump's ties to a transnational crime syndicate but Pelosi and Schumer are feckless and not allowing the broader hearings that we need and deserve. Flynn, Manafort and Stone are still lurking in the background.
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Then the Justice Dept should begin a criminal investigation. "Ties"are not necessarily illegal.
 
Flash said:
Which part do you disagree with? Do you think there is any chance for conviction? If so, that is overly optimistic. Some of the JPP liberals said the first trial had a chance of convicting.
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I care about the truth. Watching the videos from the trial today disgusted me. Trump inspired fascists.
 
Althea said:
Just as some consider the death penalty to be some sort of deterrent, a conviction here is necessary to send a message to future trumps. It would also serve to punish him monetarily. He'd lose a number of post presidential perks, not the least of which being a $1 million/year travel stipend.

I don't think that we'll have to worry about him ever holding office again, but a conviction would seal that.
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Agreed, but there's no chance of a 2/3 Senate vote.

All the convictions and punishment of previous politicians did not seem to send a message to the current crew. The law is not usually a deterrent because they don't think they will be caught. Those who obey the law is not because they are afraid of punishment but because they think it is morally wrong.
 
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