More to the point, capitalism depends on infinite economic growth in a finite world of resources.
What Dutch Uncle said is, as usual, 180 degrees incorrect.
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More to the point, capitalism depends on infinite economic growth in a finite world of resources.
What Dutch Uncle said is, as usual, 180 degrees incorrect.
Dutch Uncle
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Not as a primary system. All are capitalist with socialist underpinnings for the reasons mentioned.
There are no successful socialist nations.
Biden's Justice Department can prosecute. An impeachment/conviction is not a criminal proceeding.
What "punishment" would he face if he was convicted? None, since he is very unlikely to seek another federal office.
Prohibition from seeking office. Also, the precedent needs to be set.
Not what I'm hearing. I think you're being incredibly disgenuous.
What are you hearing and who are you hearing it from? Unless Trump plans to run again (he will be 78) prohibiting him from holding future office is not punishment.
What precedent is being set? All the past resignations, impeachments, and prosecutions set a precedent but didn't stop it from happening.
Dutch Uncle
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There's a lot to prosecute in the insurrection. Just like the Lincoln conspiracy, coincidentally the Republican's first President, there was a large number of conspirators involved. IMHO, it's clear the premeditation and conspiracy to attack the Capitol ties to the White House.
My #1 guess is Stephen Miller, but Trump's over concern about pardons for his kids makes me think they are involved somehow. Regardless, that's a lot of prison sentences even if Trump never leaves his golden toilet in Mar-a-Lago.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Dutch Uncle,
It would be a boon to our economy if we had rapid affordable nationwide public transit.
That doesn't make us a socialist nation.
Not as a primary system. All are capitalist with socialist underpinnings for the reasons mentioned.
There are no successful socialist nations.
It would be a boon to our economy if we had rapid affordable nationwide public transit.
That doesn't make us a socialist nation.
Yes, there is a lot of conspiracies to prosecute involving the insurrection, but I doubt if they can link any of that to Trump. Statements he makes do not constitute criminal conspiracy.
Dutch Uncle
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Disagreed. OTOH, like Michael Corleone and Hillary Clinton, I doubt it's enough to put Trump in jail. His kids may not be so lucky. Stephen Miller is most certainly involved and the least protected. Would he weasel out on Junior or Ivanka to save his own ass from a life sentence?
Dutch Uncle
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The Apollo Project wasn't socialist yet the tech benefits were tremendous game changers. Unfortunately, the Democrat killed it for social programs.
Major R&D projects require government funding because of the cost to private business. That's why most "government projects", and technical revolution, comes from wars of great importance or duration.
Example, the Wright brothers patented the airplane but it took WWI to make something of it. Notice it was those first in the war who made the greatest advances. Same goes for WWII, a little with Korea, Vietnam, the WOT.
The Space War was the greatest period of technological innovation in human history. How do we convince Americans to do it again even if it means less food stamps or government restrictions on labor?
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Dutch Uncle,
We are already doing it and it does not require increasing hunger or hurting labor.
What is really needed is to tax the super rich more.
The Apollo Project wasn't socialist yet the tech benefits were tremendous game changers. Unfortunately, the Democrat killed it for social programs.
Major R&D projects require government funding because of the cost to private business. That's why most "government projects", and technical revolution, comes from wars of great importance or duration.
Example, the Wright brothers patented the airplane but it took WWI to make something of it. Notice it was those first in the war who made the greatest advances. Same goes for WWII, a little with Korea, Vietnam, the WOT.
The Space War was the greatest period of technological innovation in human history. How do we convince Americans to do it again even if it means less food stamps or government restrictions on labor?
We are already doing it and it does not require increasing hunger or hurting labor.
What is really needed is to tax the super rich more.
Dutch Uncle
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That would help, but there's always a breaking point; too much or not enough. It depends upon the goal. Again, one reason socialism doesn't work as a national system is because of limited resources.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Dutch Uncle,
Fine, then don't make it a national system. Just use it only where appropriate and otherwise let capitalism prevail with proper oversight and regulation.
That way we get the best of both systems.
Fine, then don't make it a national system. Just use it only where appropriate and otherwise let capitalism prevail with proper oversight and regulation.
That way we get the best of both systems.
Dutch Uncle
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At present, the best system seems to be what is working now; a federal Constitutional republic fueled by capitalism with a socialist safty net for the sick, elderly and children. That still leaves a lot of latitude on taxes and government expenditures.
Agreed on regulated capitalism. No entity, be it government or a person, should be allowed to harm others such as poisoning them with pollutants or toxic products.
So who is filing the charges and what will they be and why are zero media outlets reporting it?
Dutch Uncle
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It varies, but most won't be against Trump per se.
You said don't trust the media. WTFO?