Titanic-bound submersible suffered 'catastrophic implosion,' Coast Guard says

Doc Dutch said:
OMG, you truly are a fucking moron, Gwonda.
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Any why is that, goatfucker?

The Navy literally fucking told the fucking searchers that they heard the fucking implosion litearlly fucking minutes after the fucking communications cut off, you braindead twat. They knew what happened and yet put on a long media show of looking for living survivors that never existed.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Theoretically we have the technology but actually getting it all to work as designed is something we don’t know yet
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Which is why such machines have redundancy and fail safes. Still, as Apollo 1, Apollo 13 and the Space Shuttles Challenger and Columbia proved, there's always some risk.

There's a conspiracy theory the Soviets left a few astronauts up there but there is no evidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cosmonauts

OTOH, several astronauts have died for space exploration:
https://www.astronomy.com/space-exploration/how-many-astronauts-have-died-in-space/
 
Gondwanaland said:
Any why is that, goatfucker?

The Navy literally fucking told the fucking searchers that they heard the fucking implosion litearlly fucking minutes after the fucking communications cut off, you braindead twat. They knew what happened and yet put on a long media show of looking for living survivors that never existed.
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Because you believe there was a media conspiracy, dumbass.

Yes, the Navy heard the noise. They had a suspicion of what it was, but only a fucking moron would declare everyone dead and not bother with a search based on a noise.
 
Cypress said:
Wow, good info. I guess I would trust the Russian Academy of Sciences over Oceangate, Inc.
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Oceangate was trying to do it on the cheap...and they paid the ultimate price for it.

That said, IIRC, they made the trip 21 times before the catastrophe.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Oceangate was trying to do it on the cheap...and they paid the ultimate price for it.

That said, IIRC, they made the trip 21 times before the catastrophe.
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1/21 = 4.76% failure rate.

That is an unacceptable failure rate for any viable and useful technology.

If I come into billions of dollars, I am sticking to Russian and US Navy submersibles.
 
Cypress said:
1/21 = 4.76% failure rate.

That is an unacceptable failure rate for any viable and useful technology.

If I come into billions of dollars, I am sticking to Russian and US Navy submersibles.
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Until this week it was a 0% failure rate. :)

Similarly, the Wright brothers flyer had zero fatalities until 17SEP1908 when, during a demonstration flight, Orville and 1LT Thomas E. Selfridge crashed due to a propeller failure. Although I couldn't find a direct online reference, the problem was the Wright Flyer didn't have seatbelts and 1LT Selfridge was thrown out of the aircraft. Presumably they didn't wear helmets either. Seatbelts in aircraft weren't invented until 1911 and not required by regulation until 1926.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Selfridge

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/after-lt-thomas-selfridge-180975437/

https://www.faa.gov/media/20816
 
All you'd need to have a catastrophic fail on that sub is a leak maybe a millimeter or two in size in the hull. At say, 3000 meters depth you are talking about 3000 to 4000 psi water coming in. That's sufficient to turn every crew member into hamburger in seconds. The sub would fill up in under a minute and the atmosphere inside would become a smaller and smaller bubble until it blew off one of the end caps that were only glued on.

The design was to keep pressure out, not in. One tiny leak would be all it took for that sub to explode, not implode.
 
Titanic movie director James Cameron says he was told on MONDAY that the sound of the Titan sub imploding had been detected, and claims the carbon fibre hull of the doomed ship was known to be unsuitable

James Cameron was told within 24 hours of the Titanic sub disappearing that an implosion had been heard, and 'watched over the ensuing days this whole sort of everybody-running-around-with-their-hair-on-fire search, knowing full well that it was futile.'

https://mol.im/a/12225371
 
T. A. Gardner said:
All you'd need to have a catastrophic fail on that sub is a leak maybe a millimeter or two in size in the hull. At say, 3000 meters depth you are talking about 3000 to 4000 psi water coming in. That's sufficient to turn every crew member into hamburger in seconds. The sub would fill up in under a minute and the atmosphere inside would become a smaller and smaller bubble until it blew off one of the end caps that were only glued on.

The design was to keep pressure out, not in. One tiny leak would be all it took for that sub to explode, not implode.
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It was likely crushed by the intensifying water pressure at the moment they lost communication. We were discussing that (among other things) at pool tonight.
 
serendipity said:
Titanic movie director James Cameron says he was told on MONDAY that the sound of the Titan sub imploding had been detected, and claims the carbon fibre hull of the doomed ship was known to be unsuitable

James Cameron was told within 24 hours of the Titanic sub disappearing that an implosion had been heard, and 'watched over the ensuing days this whole sort of everybody-running-around-with-their-hair-on-fire search, knowing full well that it was futile.'

https://mol.im/a/12225371
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So you would have just given up the search? Declared them dead and stayed home?

Why didn't Cameron say this "MONDAY"? "Give up! They're fucking dead! It's over. Go home"?
 
RB 60 said:
It was likely crushed by the intensifying water pressure at the moment they lost communication. We were discussing that (among other things) at pool tonight.
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I'm thinking it was more likely flooded by a miniscule leak that sprang at depth from a hull penetration and then exploded as the air pressure rose inside to equal the water pressure outside. Like I stated, the hull wasn't designed to withstand high internal pressures but rather high external ones.

I suppose it is possible the hull failed as an alternate reason, but the hull leak seems more plausible. It wouldn't take more than a pinhole leak to finish the sub, and something like that wouldn't be detected except at depth. If they only tested for leaks using a slight overpressure of the sub, it could have gone totally unnoticed. You need to test for that sort of leak at full pressure of the system which would be like 3000 to 5000 psi.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I'm thinking it was more likely flooded by a miniscule leak that sprang at depth from a hull penetration and then exploded as the air pressure rose inside to equal the water pressure outside. Like I stated, the hull wasn't designed to withstand high internal pressures but rather high external ones.

I suppose it is possible the hull failed as an alternate reason, but the hull leak seems more plausible. It wouldn't take more than a pinhole leak to finish the sub, and something like that wouldn't be detected except at depth. If they only tested for leaks using a slight overpressure of the sub, it could have gone totally unnoticed. You need to test for that sort of leak at full pressure of the system which would be like 3000 to 5000 psi.
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Think of it like squeezing an egg. The internal pressure can only withstand so much outer pressure before it collapses and pops.

But yes, a leak would definitely doom it just as easily. Different scenario, same result. Yoke on the floor.
 
RB 60 said:
Think of it like squeezing an egg. The internal pressure can only withstand so much outer pressure before it collapses and pops.

But yes, a leak would definitely doom it just as easily. Different scenario, same result. Yoke on the floor.
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The difference is that it was designed to withstand a shitload of pressure externally. But one small leak, a pinhole leak, and you are doomed. There had to be hull penetrations. Even the bolted on hatch was a possible path for entry. It only takes an unnoticed tiny mistake to allow for such a leak, and once you have one, that's the end. I read that they found one of the end caps intact. That kind of says to me it exploded as the end caps were only glued on so there wasn't much strength to prevent their blowing off from an internal over pressure.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The difference is that it was designed to withstand a shitload of pressure externally. But one small leak, a pinhole leak, and you are doomed. There had to be hull penetrations. Even the bolted on hatch was a possible path for entry. It only takes an unnoticed tiny mistake to allow for such a leak, and once you have one, that's the end. I read that they found one of the end caps intact. That kind of says to me it exploded as the end caps were only glued on so there wasn't much strength to prevent their blowing off from an internal over pressure.
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Bullshit. Excuse me if I doubt your expertise on this.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The difference is that it was designed to withstand a shitload of pressure externally. But one small leak, a pinhole leak, and you are doomed. There had to be hull penetrations. Even the bolted on hatch was a possible path for entry. It only takes an unnoticed tiny mistake to allow for such a leak, and once you have one, that's the end. I read that they found one of the end caps intact. That kind of says to me it exploded as the end caps were only glued on so there wasn't much strength to prevent their blowing off from an internal over pressure.
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No doubt, a leak would be terminal. So would any weak spot in the structure or a seal that didn't seal on the hatch.
I didn't see that they found anything. That's surprising considering the currents, depth and small size of the end caps.
 
The Navy first detected the Titan sub's implosion soon after it went missing: WSJ

• The Navy detected the Titan's implosion soon after it lost contact, per The Wall Street Journal.
• Defense officials told the outlet the Navy began listening for the vessel right after it went missing.
• A top-secret detection system used to find enemy submarines registered the sound.

https://www.insider.com/navy-detected-titanic-subs-implosion-soon-after-went-missing-wsj-2023-6
 
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