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I wonder if you remember me saying that wind turbines have a nasty habit of catching fire, well here is one doing exactly that.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2071633/UK-weather-Britain-battered-winds-151mph.html
 
Isn't progressive technology wonderful.
What a fucking moron. Listen up....the term "progressive technology" is redundant. Technology.....all technology....by it's nature is progressive. That's how technology works. It progresses on what came before. If it wasn't you'd still be walking every where you went numb nuts.
 
Did BP build that!

If you want a real fucking disaster then you need to get a crooked bunch of bastard Yank cowboys like Occidental involved, as with Piper Alpha. Never mind though, the 179 people killed weren't Yanks so who gives a shit?

 
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Our criminal oil companies are better than yours! Yaye!

Don't we all live on the same planet?

That whole jingoistic thing escapes me. No matter who is doing it.
 
Our criminal oil companies are better than yours! Yaye!

Don't we all live on the same planet?

That whole jingoistic thing escapes me. No matter who is doing it.

Our criminal oil and chemical companies pay fair compensation. Whereas, in the case of Dow's wholly owned subsidiary Union Carbide they paid a relative pittance for killing 25,000 people and injuring half a million, they also paid fuck all for Agent Orange. Occidental only killed 179 people and fucked off out of the country as quick as they could.

Topspin couldn't paddle his fucking canoe and he's never stopped bellyaching since.
 
What a fucking moron. Listen up....the term "progressive technology" is redundant. Technology.....all technology....by it's nature is progressive. That's how technology works. It progresses on what came before. If it wasn't you'd still be walking every where you went numb nuts.

:rolleyes:

There is this pervasive thing on this site about "politics" I'm not sure why... However, the idea that it is redundant to point out which "side" of politics supports a specific technology is a bit much considering the full context (you know, political message board).

That you ignore the context and pretend that the word was describing the technology rather than the political "side" of the majority of the people who push the technology on us seems odd to me.
 
One thing I noticed.. This "wind spill" explosion didn't seem to kill a bunch of fish and make me suspicious of the shrimp in my dinner at the restaurant.

While it is exceedingly inefficient, even though it exploded into flames while it was doing what it was supposed to do (something we should avoid in our new technology as much as possible) it was a bit less dangerous than a huge oil spill.
 
Our criminal oil and chemical companies pay fair compensation. Whereas, in the case of Dow's wholly owned subsidiary Union Carbide they paid a relative pittance for killing 25,000 people and injuring half a million, they also paid fuck all for Agent Orange. Occidental only killed 179 people and fucked off out of the country as quick as they could.

Topspin couldn't paddle his fucking canoe and he's never stopped bellyaching since.

Once again... Dow DID NOT OWN UNION CARBIDE in 1984. They bought it in 2002. The Indian Government had ALREADY SETTLED with UNION CARBIDE at the time of the purchase.

Again.... AGENT ORANGE was used by the US government. If you want to hold someone accountable, you go to the one that USED it. Not the one who was told to produce it.
 
Once again... Dow DID NOT OWN UNION CARBIDE in 1984. They bought it in 2002. The Indian Government had ALREADY SETTLED with UNION CARBIDE at the time of the purchase.

Again.... AGENT ORANGE was used by the US government. If you want to hold someone accountable, you go to the one that USED it. Not the one who was told to produce it.

The settlement was not anywhere near enough, Dow bought the liabilities as well as the assets of Union Carbide. Many people have died or sustained genetic defects since the 1989 settlement which were never taken account of back then, as well as the huge environmental damage. Are you really telling me that settlements in the US are never revisited in the light of knowledge not available at the time?

As for Agent Orange I refer you to the following from Wiki, please note that neither the US government or Dow and Monsanto have paid anything to the Vietnamese victims.

On January 31, 2004, a victim's rights group, the Vietnam Association for Victims of Agent Orange/dioxin (VAVA), filed a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York in Brooklyn, against several U.S. companies for liability in causing personal injury, by developing and producing the chemical. Dow Chemical and Monsanto were the two largest producers of Agent Orange for the U.S. military, and were named in the suit, along with the dozens of other companies (Diamond Shamrock, Uniroyal, Thompson Chemicals, Hercules, etc.). On March 10, 2005, Judge Jack B. Weinstein of the Eastern District – who had presided over the 1984 US veterans class action lawsuit – dismissed the lawsuit, ruling there was no legal basis for the plaintiffs' claims. He concluded Agent Orange was not considered a poison under international law at the time of its use by the U.S.; the U.S. was not prohibited from using it as a herbicide; and the companies which produced the substance were not liable for the method of its use by the government. The U.S. government was not a party in the lawsuit, due to sovereign immunity, and the court ruled the chemical companies, as contractors of the US government, shared the same immunity. The case was appealed and heard by the Second Circuit Court of Appeals on June 18, 2007. The Court of Appeals upheld the dismissal of the case, stating the herbicides used during the war were not intended to be used to poison humans and therefore did not violate international law.[SUP][72][/SUP] The US Supreme Court declined to consider the case.

Three judges on the Second Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan heard the appeal on June 18, 2007. They upheld Weinstein's ruling to dismiss the case. They ruled that, though the herbicides contained a dioxin (a known poison), they were not intended to be used as a poison on humans. Therefore, they were not considered a chemical weapon and thus not a violation of international law. A further review of the case by the whole panel of judges of the Court of Appeals also confirmed this decision. The lawyers for the Vietnamese filed a petition to the US Supreme Court to hear the case. On March 2, 2009, the Supreme Court denied certiorari and refused to reconsider the ruling of the Court of Appeals.[SUP][73][/SUP]

In a November 2004 Zogby International poll of 987 people, 79% of respondents thought the US chemical companies which produced Agent Orange defoliant should compensate US soldiers who were affected by the toxic chemical used during the war in Vietnam. 51% said they supported compensation for Vietnamese Agent Orange victims.[SUP][74][/SUP]
 
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