To Salute or Not Salute?

callinectes said:
What do you expect? This is another drop of outrage in a sea of outrageous behavior, coming from a man who thrives on behaving outrageously. While not excusing him, I can say that I understand why it happened:
1) He's got a lot on his little twisted Stalinist mind right now! Dealing with an administration so rotten, festering and riddled with scandal, and just finding out about it on the news last week? Why, I'd be a little off my game, too!
2) He went back and shook the Marine's hand. I assume he apologized for not returning the salute, but I would have given him a complete pass if he would have returned the salute after apologizing. That shows respect and humility. The hand salute is a traditional gesture of respect and honor between warriors. Obama is not fit to have the label "warrior" associated with his name anyway, so even when he returns the salutes, I have always considered it an empty gesture.
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Superiors never salute lesser rank first.....the Joint Chiefs would salute the CIC first....then the CIC would return the salute. That's the way military protocol works. That's the reason for the handshake. Never in the military, huh?
 
Howey said:
No wonder the Dude groans you so much. Who do you think wrote that byline? Who owns the site?

Funny how you blame the president for everything that happens but feel the need to absolve Matty for what's on his website.
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The Dude is an uneducated blowhard and is like a playgrround bully, he probably was one.

The "byline" is the link, you fool, and it tells you what the article is about....its not his opinion or a personal comment.....

Damn, schooling you is getting old...
 
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Steelplate said:
Superiors never salute lesser rank first.....the Joint Chiefs would salute the CIC first....then the CIC would return the salute. That's the way military protocol works. That's the reason for the handshake. Never in the military, huh?
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No shit Charley Chan....whats your point ?....you don't shake hands when passing an officer in ANY service, you exchange salutes....

Never been in the military, huh ? (or if you were, you still don't don't know the drill)

and military protocol isn't 'by the book' when dealing with the president....he wears no uniform, is not covered (a hat to you) and is of superiour rank to all, therefore
you initiate the salute and hold it until it is returned.....as it should be.
 
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NOVA said:
No shit Charley Chan....whats your point ?....you don't shake hands when passing an officer in ANY service, you exchange salutes....

Never been in the military, huh ? (or if you were, you still don't don't know the drill)

and military protocol isn't 'by the book' when dealing with the president....he wears no uniform, is not covered (a hat to you) and is of superiour rank to all, therefore
you initiate the salute and hold it until it is returned.....as it should be.
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How come Nixon never returned salutes to the troops? Or for that matter any president before Reagan?
 
NOVA said:
The Dude is an uneducated blowhard and is like a playgrround bully, he probably was one.

The "byline" is the link, you fool, and it tells you what the article is about....its not his opinion or a personal comment.....

Damn, schooling you is getting old...
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You got kicked out of the navy
 
NOVA said:
No shit Charley Chan....whats your point ?....you don't shake hands when passing an officer in ANY service, you exchange salutes....

Never been in the military, huh ? (or if you were, you still don't don't know the drill)

and military protocol isn't 'by the book' when dealing with the president....he wears no uniform, is not covered (a hat to you) and is of superiour rank to all, therefore
you initiate the salute and hold it until it is returned.....as it should be.
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Hey Naval Flunkie....If Obama would have came back out and saluted the Marine....it would have been TWO breeches of Protocol....because the Marine dropped the salute after Obama boarded....so.Obama came back out, shook the man's hand and actually apoligized to the young marine.

The office is the uniform. He is Commander in Chief. It doesn't matter if he's uncovered or wearing a fucking Jester hat from Medieval Times.
 
Steelplate said:
Hey Naval Flunkie....If Obama would have came back out and saluted the Marine....it would have been TWO breeches of Protocol....because the Marine dropped the salute after Obama boarded....so.Obama came back out, shook the man's hand and actually apoligized to the young marine.

The office is the uniform. He is Commander in Chief. It doesn't matter if he's uncovered or wearing a fucking Jester hat from Medieval Times.
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If Obama would have come back out the was duty bound to salute him again idiot.

The Marine is doing the right thing to drop his salute when "the officer" has passed or is otherwise "gone"....he don't stand there like a moron waiting by himself....

"The office is the uniform. He is Commander in Chief. It doesn't matter if he's uncovered or wearing a fucking Jester hat from Medieval Times."
YES, thats exactly why I pointed out that military protocol isn't 'by the book' when dealing with the president....he wears no uniform, is not covered (a hat to you), etc....
When you in the military and dealing with the CIC in a one on one situation, you follow his lead, right or wrong, and hope his goes away as soon as possible....
as long as its not you making the mistakes.

Don't try to spin your way out of your bullshit mistake....just take it like a man.

At least Obama was more of a man than the asshole you morons elected last time....Billy the "I abhor the military" Clinton and the witch those Marines had to
put up with for 8 years....
 
NOVA said:
If Obama would have come back out the was duty bound to salute him again idiot.
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This is the only thing worth responding to in your whole post....the rest was you bawling because you got schooled.

When Obama came out of the helo, the Marine was obviously still at attention when Obama came out and didn't see him.

But anyway, when Obama came out, it started a brand new interaction between a superior and a subordinate. For Obama to salute tva Marine then would be a second breech of Protocol....the first being not returning the salute from the Marine first place. A superior NEVER initiates a salute to a subordinate.

That's why I said and still maintain that Obama did the right thing by coming out and apologizing to the Marine. It was something he did not have to do, and I'd be willing to bet it has happened plenty.of times in the past where the sitting president never came back out.and the helo took off.
 
Steelplate said:
Superiors never salute lesser rank first.....the Joint Chiefs would salute the CIC first....then the CIC would return the salute. That's the way military protocol works. That's the reason for the handshake. Never in the military, huh?
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Sheesh! Does Issa have start a damn investigation on THIS too? I didn't spend a lot of time in the military(only 25 years) but I think I got the hang of the customs and courtesies before I left. Let's see...the CIC approaches the Marine, the Marine pops off a nice salute, the CIC returns it, the Marine drops his salute, the CIC boards the helo and we're outta here! In this case, the CIC shakes the Marine's hand and pops off a salute to complete the original gesture. I was always taught, "when in doubt, salute". You really can't do it wrong.
 
callinectes said:
Sheesh! Does Issa have start a damn investigation on THIS too? I didn't spend a lot of time in the military(only 25 years) but I think I got the hang of the customs and courtesies before I left. Let's see...the CIC approaches the Marine, the Marine pops off a nice salute, the CIC returns it, the Marine drops his salute, the CIC boards the helo and we're outta here! In this case, the CIC shakes the Marine's hand and pops off a salute to complete the original gesture. I was always taught, "when in doubt, salute". You really can't do it wrong.
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of course you can always salute a Sargent and call him sir...but i would not advise it, especially if the Sargent out ranks you :)
 
Don Quixote said:
since when is politeness trivial, i think we need more politeness not less
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Oh I agree wholeheartedly that we could use more politeness.

But if I were to have to pickj between a president who got shit done and a president who saluted and was very careful of all the protocols, the salute wouldn't matter as much.
 
WinterBorn said:
Oh I agree wholeheartedly that we could use more politeness.

But if I were to have to pickj between a president who got shit done and a president who saluted and was very careful of all the protocols, the salute wouldn't matter as much.
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i would too, however, how is he going to get things done when the repugs in the house vote in lock step to oppose his initiatives and the repugs in the senate block things with filibusters?
 
Don Quixote said:
of course you can always salute a Sargent and call him sir...but i would not advise it, especially if the Sargent out ranks you :)
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Very true! Back when we were "allies" of a sort, I was saluting Iranian corporals and sergeants left and right, and completely ignoring the field grade guys!
 
One more thing on "salute-gate".....up until Reagan, presidents NEVER returned salute. Even Eisenhower, who was a General.
 
Howey said:
Finally! Two ppl get it!

It's an informal tradition started (erroneously) by Reagan. I mentioned that at the beginning of the thread.
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Well....I think it's a cool thing for the CIC to do....but turning into some big deal when he doesn't is ridiculous.
 
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