floridafan
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You gotta explain that................ It makes no sense
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You gotta explain that................ It makes no sense
Into the Night
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It is not Trump's job to buy equipment for hospitals. Gloves were available at the local Rite-Aid, and even Home Depot just yesterday. Maybe the hospitals should actually go buy them.
Face masks are available in both places too.
True, the hospitals got caught by the scalpers just like everybody else. It is not Trump's job to predict what is going to be scalped. He is supporting the prosecuting of them when they are found, though. They are violating both State and federal laws. Amazon and E-bay have been very good about referring these clowns to the authorities and shutting down their accounts.
Into the Night
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Perhaps English is not your first language?
floridafan
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Yet time after time you have blamed Obama for the shortage of ventilators. You can't have it both ways sweetheart
[Translation: I want this fake Democrat-created crisis to be Trump's fault, so the truth doesn't matter]
Ask Democrats. It was THEIR decision to use all the masks and not restock them, and THEIR decision not to purchase ventilators, and to lie about not having enough.
[Translation: I want this fake Democrat-created crisis to be Trump's fault, so the truth doesn't matter]
Absolutely, and he STILL knows that it is an ordinary flu level virus that poses no extraordinary risk. And?
[Translation: I want this fake Democrat-created crisis to be Trump's fault, so the truth doesn't matter]
The gigantic timeline you're responding to literally contains the proof that this too is a lie.
What a dishonest moron.
[Translation: I want this fake Democrat-created crisis to be Trump's fault, so the truth doesn't matter]
I've SEEN the list of "lies" (Democrats smearing him as a liar for telling the truth). It's a long list. And literally every time I look one up, it turns out to be the media that are lying...which is probably why the left's own polling now shows President Trump as being more credible than the media.
1) Democrat policies destroyed the economy.
Let's review:
-No one was making bad loans to unqualified people until Democrats came along and threatened to drag banks into court and have them fined and branded as racists if they didn't go along with the left's Affirmative Action lending policies.
-Even the New York Times warned in the late 1990s that Democrats continuing to force banks into lowering their standards would lead precisely to the kind of meltdown that ended up happening in 2008.
-Studies directly connect the collapse of the housing market to these Democrat policies.
-President Bush went to Congress repeatedly for years warning them that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were going to destroy the economy (17 times in 2008 alone). Democrats continuously ignored him, shut down his proposals along party lines and continued raiding the institutions for campaign contributions on their way down.
-John McCain also co-sponsored urgently critical reforms that would have prevented the housing market collapse, but Democrats shut that down as well, along party lines, and even openly ridiculed anyone who suggested reforms were necessary (see the video below)...to protect their taxpayer-funded campaign contributions as the economy raced uncontrollably toward the cliff.
-Even The New York Times admitted that there is "little evidence" of any connection between the "Republican" deregulation measures Democrats blame, like the Gramm-Bleach-Liley Act (signed into law by a Democrat), and the collapse of the housing market.
2) Giving a trillion dollars to your donors and allies while in no way stimulating the economy isn't needed to fix a Democrat policy disaster. That doesn't even make sense.
Apples and oranges. Obama giving a trillion dollars to his donors and allies wasn't even an ATTEMPT to grow the economy or fix the Democrat-created policy disaster he was facing. President Trump jump-starting a completely gridlocked economy to get us out of THIS Democrat-created policy disaster IS necessary.
Try again, dumb-ass.
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This is actually an important point that is all-but completely left out of the debate in this post-Constitutional world. The president isn't authorized to even be INVOLVED in disaster management or relief under the Constitution. That is a responsibility for the states and local governments, as well as for the citizenry and private sector. But since we HAVE illegally abandoned nearly all adherence to the Constitution at this point (thanks to Democrats vilifying anyone who doesn't immediately and absolutely exploit every 'crisis' to illegally nationalize all the power in this country away from its rightful rulers--the states and citizens--and into the hands of the few in Washington)...Democrats have shown themselves to be uniquely incompetent at managing such situations.
It's almost as if the Founders wanted things like this handled at the state and local level for a reason.
Do these dishonest partisan scumbags in the media EVER stop lying?
"A couple decided this week that they would eat fish tank cleaner after realizing that it contained the same active ingredient as an anti-malarial drug that has been rumored to treat coronavirus. No doctor is giving out a prescription for fish tank cleaner, and this couple didn’t even have coronavirus, but somehow the media is blaming Trump for this Darwin Award winning idiocy because he talked about the anti-malarial drug during a press briefing."
Media Blames Trump For Man Eating Fish Tank Cleaner
Media Blames Trump For Man Eating Fish Tank Cleaner
He has no such power.
Do these dishonest partisan scumbags in the media EVER stop lying?
"A couple decided this week that they would eat fish tank cleaner after realizing that it contained the same active ingredient as an anti-malarial drug that has been rumored to treat coronavirus. No doctor is giving out a prescription for fish tank cleaner, and this couple didn’t even have coronavirus, but somehow the media is blaming Trump for this Darwin Award winning idiocy because he talked about the anti-malarial drug during a press briefing."
Media Blames Trump For Man Eating Fish Tank Cleaner
How dishonest you are. If Trump did not tout some drugs that have no value , the guy and his wife would not have tried it. If Trump did not list those drugs as cures, the man and his wife would not have taken the drug. He would be alive. t is another Trump death by lies.
saltydancin
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Exactly. The sky isn't falling. Take your meds and rejoin the adult world.
Can't discern if it is cognitive dissonance or whitewashing the possibility coronavirus was originated for culling of the gene pool with a statistical probability based on those burning Bush's 9/11 Arab "death to the infidels" which threatened POTUS lynching enforcement immaculate drug conceptions for holycosts...
[Translation: I want all bad things to be Trump's fault, so the truth doesn't matter]
Dishonest? President Trump cites scientific evidence that an anti-Malarial drug is showing promise against COVID and that makes ANY moron who goes out and randomly ingests ANY substance that happens to contain ANY amount of that ingredient Trump's fault?
That's DEMOCRATS being dishonest (as always), dumb-ass.
[Translation: I want all bad things to be Trump's fault, so the truth doesn't matter]
And if Henry Ford hadn't introduced the automobile, all the world's DUIs would not have happened. They are all just Ford "deaths by lies."
What a ridiculous moron you are.
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Into the Night
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I h ave never blamed Obama for a shortage of ventilators. You are hallucinating again.
Into the Night
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Yes he does. The people of that State have that power too.
Right next to the 61,000 American dead bodies from the flu every year.
Says the guy who can't do basic math.
Pathologist with a PHD and decades of field experience blows another gaping set of holes through this clearly flawed and dishonest coronavirus narrative.
Summary:
-Anyone who dies of something completely unrelated to COVID but is tested after death and found to be an asymptomatic positive carrier of COVID gets falsely recorded as a COVID death. "If someone dies of a respiratory infection in the UK, the specific cause of the infection is not usually recorded, unless the illness is a rare ‘notifiable disease’. So the vast majority of respiratory deaths in the UK are recorded as bronchopneumonia, pneumonia, old age or a similar designation. We don’t really test for flu, or other seasonal infections. If the patient has, say, cancer, motor neurone disease or another serious disease, this will be recorded as the cause of death, even if the final illness was a respiratory infection. This means UK certifications normally under-record deaths due to respiratory infections. Now look at what has happened since the emergence of Covid-19. The list of notifiable diseases has been updated. This list — as well as containing smallpox (which has been extinct for many years) and conditions such as anthrax, brucellosis, plague and rabies (which most UK doctors will never see in their entire careers) — has now been amended to include Covid-19. But not flu. That means every positive test for Covid-19 must be notified, in a way that it just would not be for flu or most other infections. In the current climate, anyone with a positive test for Covid-19 will certainly be known to clinical staff looking after them: if any of these patients dies, staff will have to record the Covid-19 designation on the death certificate — contrary to usual practice for most infections of this kind. There is a big difference between Covid-19 causing death, and Covid-19 being found in someone who died of other causes."
**Even WITH this "inadvertent" manipulation of the data, the COVID death rates are completely ordinary flu level death rates.**
-The flu is far worse. "Statistically, we would expect about 51,000 to die in Britain this month. At the time of writing, 422 deaths are linked to Covid-19 — so 0.8 per cent of that expected total. On a global basis, we’d expect 14 million to die over the first three months of the year. The world’s 18,944 coronavirus deaths represent 0.14 per cent of that total. These figures might shoot up but they are, right now, lower than other infectious diseases that we live with (such as flu). Not figures that would, in and of themselves, cause drastic global reactions."
-Testing processes being used unavoidably exaggerate the mortality of COVID, by doing all their testing in hospitals instead of triage centers. "Most of the UK testing has been in hospitals, where there is a high concentration of patients susceptible to the effects of any infection. As anyone who has worked with sick people will know, any testing regime that is based only in hospitals will over-estimate the virulence of an infection. Also, we’re only dealing with those Covid-19 cases that have made people sick enough or worried enough to get tested."
-The hysteria is based on large percentages of the population that have COVID but are not yet tested and confirmed (the more untested positives you have that are asymptomatic, the lower the mortality rate for the disease actually ends up being). "That’s why, when Britain had 590 diagnosed cases, Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, suggested that the real figure was probably between 5,000 and 10,000 cases, ten to 20 times higher. If he’s right, the headline death rate due to this virus is likely to be ten to 20 times lower, say 0.25 per cent to 0.5 per cent. That puts the Covid-19 mortality rate in the range associated with infections like flu."
-Coronavirus spreads at speeds similar to the flu and kills even FEWER people than it does...the difference is simply (like I have said from the beginning) that we are suddenly, arbitrarily hyper-focusing on every stitch of progress this particular bug makes, based on absolutely nothing. "Let us also consider the Covid-19 graphs, showing an exponential rise in cases — and deaths. They can look alarming. But if we tracked flu or other seasonal viruses in the same way, we would also see an exponential increase. We would also see some countries behind others, and striking fatality rates. The United States Centers for Disease Control, for example, publishes weekly estimates of flu cases. The latest figures show that since September, flu has infected 38 million Americans, hospitalised 390,000 and killed 23,000. This does not cause public alarm because flu is familiar...Much of the response to Covid-19 seems explained by the fact that we are watching this virus in a way that no virus has been watched before. "
-A virus that is a genuine cause for panic would be accompanied by a statistically significant increase in overall death rates. That is not happening at all. "We have yet to see any statistical evidence for excess deaths, in any part of the world."
-The talking point that national leaders are choosing between economics and people's lives is a fallacy. "The moral debate is not lives vs money. It is lives vs lives. It will take months, perhaps years, if ever, before we can assess the wider implications of what we are doing. The damage to children’s education, the excess suicides, the increase in mental health problems, the taking away of resources from other health problems that we were dealing with effectively. Those who need medical help now but won’t seek it, or might not be offered it. And what about the effects on food production and global commerce, that will have unquantifiable consequences for people of all ages, perhaps especially in developing economies?"
How deadly is the coronavirus? It’s still far from clear
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Summary:
-Anyone who dies of something completely unrelated to COVID but is tested after death and found to be an asymptomatic positive carrier of COVID gets falsely recorded as a COVID death. "If someone dies of a respiratory infection in the UK, the specific cause of the infection is not usually recorded, unless the illness is a rare ‘notifiable disease’. So the vast majority of respiratory deaths in the UK are recorded as bronchopneumonia, pneumonia, old age or a similar designation. We don’t really test for flu, or other seasonal infections. If the patient has, say, cancer, motor neurone disease or another serious disease, this will be recorded as the cause of death, even if the final illness was a respiratory infection. This means UK certifications normally under-record deaths due to respiratory infections. Now look at what has happened since the emergence of Covid-19. The list of notifiable diseases has been updated. This list — as well as containing smallpox (which has been extinct for many years) and conditions such as anthrax, brucellosis, plague and rabies (which most UK doctors will never see in their entire careers) — has now been amended to include Covid-19. But not flu. That means every positive test for Covid-19 must be notified, in a way that it just would not be for flu or most other infections. In the current climate, anyone with a positive test for Covid-19 will certainly be known to clinical staff looking after them: if any of these patients dies, staff will have to record the Covid-19 designation on the death certificate — contrary to usual practice for most infections of this kind. There is a big difference between Covid-19 causing death, and Covid-19 being found in someone who died of other causes."
**Even WITH this "inadvertent" manipulation of the data, the COVID death rates are completely ordinary flu level death rates.**
-The flu is far worse. "Statistically, we would expect about 51,000 to die in Britain this month. At the time of writing, 422 deaths are linked to Covid-19 — so 0.8 per cent of that expected total. On a global basis, we’d expect 14 million to die over the first three months of the year. The world’s 18,944 coronavirus deaths represent 0.14 per cent of that total. These figures might shoot up but they are, right now, lower than other infectious diseases that we live with (such as flu). Not figures that would, in and of themselves, cause drastic global reactions."
-Testing processes being used unavoidably exaggerate the mortality of COVID, by doing all their testing in hospitals instead of triage centers. "Most of the UK testing has been in hospitals, where there is a high concentration of patients susceptible to the effects of any infection. As anyone who has worked with sick people will know, any testing regime that is based only in hospitals will over-estimate the virulence of an infection. Also, we’re only dealing with those Covid-19 cases that have made people sick enough or worried enough to get tested."
-The hysteria is based on large percentages of the population that have COVID but are not yet tested and confirmed (the more untested positives you have that are asymptomatic, the lower the mortality rate for the disease actually ends up being). "That’s why, when Britain had 590 diagnosed cases, Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, suggested that the real figure was probably between 5,000 and 10,000 cases, ten to 20 times higher. If he’s right, the headline death rate due to this virus is likely to be ten to 20 times lower, say 0.25 per cent to 0.5 per cent. That puts the Covid-19 mortality rate in the range associated with infections like flu."
-Coronavirus spreads at speeds similar to the flu and kills even FEWER people than it does...the difference is simply (like I have said from the beginning) that we are suddenly, arbitrarily hyper-focusing on every stitch of progress this particular bug makes, based on absolutely nothing. "Let us also consider the Covid-19 graphs, showing an exponential rise in cases — and deaths. They can look alarming. But if we tracked flu or other seasonal viruses in the same way, we would also see an exponential increase. We would also see some countries behind others, and striking fatality rates. The United States Centers for Disease Control, for example, publishes weekly estimates of flu cases. The latest figures show that since September, flu has infected 38 million Americans, hospitalised 390,000 and killed 23,000. This does not cause public alarm because flu is familiar...Much of the response to Covid-19 seems explained by the fact that we are watching this virus in a way that no virus has been watched before. "
-A virus that is a genuine cause for panic would be accompanied by a statistically significant increase in overall death rates. That is not happening at all. "We have yet to see any statistical evidence for excess deaths, in any part of the world."
-The talking point that national leaders are choosing between economics and people's lives is a fallacy. "The moral debate is not lives vs money. It is lives vs lives. It will take months, perhaps years, if ever, before we can assess the wider implications of what we are doing. The damage to children’s education, the excess suicides, the increase in mental health problems, the taking away of resources from other health problems that we were dealing with effectively. Those who need medical help now but won’t seek it, or might not be offered it. And what about the effects on food production and global commerce, that will have unquantifiable consequences for people of all ages, perhaps especially in developing economies?"
How deadly is the coronavirus? It’s still far from clear
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moon
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Right next to the 61,000 American dead bodies from the flu every year.
Says the guy who can't do basic math.
Moron. These are additional deaths. You're an attention-seeking troll.
Further, the projection is now 100,000 - 200,000 American dead. Show us some more of your smart arithmetic.
saltydancin
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Actuaries must be ecstatic that projections will be, based on 50 states between 2,000 to 4,000 Americans dead per state. Might get close to that 9/11 one day of holycosts…..especially since NYC is now the epicenter for the USA.
Yes, this is a drastic DOWNWARD revision from the MILLIONS of dead that were predicted before, ACTUAL moron.
Did you already forget all the "experts" who started this hoax coming out and admitting they were wildly wrong and dropping the estimates to a tiny fraction of what they originally said?