Trading with the enemy [Ukraine war] | Seymour Hersh

Do not forget the rumor that as many as 20,000 Poles are currently in Ukrainian uniform....that there would be 1,000 or more American military as well is not a stretch at all, our overlords would certainly do that.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Do not forget the rumor that as many as 20,000 Poles are currently in Ukrainian uniform....that there would be 1,000 or more American military as well is not a stretch at all, our overlords would certainly do that.
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Tell that to Phan and all the pro WW3 democrats.
 
Phantasmal said:
I’ve already acknowledged that, advisory capacity.
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You're spreading propaganda. US troops in 2014 Ukraine were there to instigate a coup. US military presence in Ukraine is running the show. Our top generals know how bad the west is getting its ass kicked.
 
goat said:
You're spreading propaganda. US troops in 2014 Ukraine were there to instigate a coup. US military presence in Ukraine is running the show. Our top generals know how bad the west is getting its ass kicked.
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Proves my point
 
Walt said:
All in the embassy compound. There is about that in Russia, does that mean we are occupying Russia?
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It is by those who want us to believe the U. S. is "running the war in the Ukraine."

We need a new conspiracy every week involving secret government efforts to do evil things because...............? Chem trails, vaccines, starvation....
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The way this will go is according to the people I listen to is that the West will no longer have the capacity to continue this war America demanded by late summer or fall, and will sue for peace....the current line at that point will roughly be the new border between Russia and Ukraine.

At this point the Ukrainians will be besides themselves when they figure out how they were betrayed by America, when they realize what they have done to themselves...for nothing.
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Agreed for the most part, only I think it will be Kyiv that will be suing for peace. I do strongly suspect that Ukrainians will realize what a mess the west pushed them into though. Last April, Russia had been prepared to leave Ukraine so long as Ukraine promised to let the Donbass Republics essentially become autonomous. Now, Russia's annexed a good chunk of Ukraine and I suspect they'll be annexing the remainder of the Donbass region in short order. If Ukraine doesn't hurry up and sue for peace soon, I suspect they'll take Odessa as well.
 
Flash said:
It is by those who want us to believe the U. S. is "running the war in the Ukraine."

We need a new conspiracy every week involving secret government efforts to do evil things because...............? Chem trails, vaccines, starvation....
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There's a stark difference between what U.S. military, former or current, have are doing in Russia, and what they've done and are still doing in Ukraine. There's plenty of evidence that suggests that the U.S. took an active role in the overthrow of former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych. Global Research did a good article on the subject in 2017:

The Hidden Truth About Ukraine, Kiev Euromaidan Snipers Kill Demonstrators. Italian Documentary Bombshell Evidence | globalresearch.ca

It was only after Yanukovych was overthrown in 2014 that things started changing dramatically in Ukraine, first with Russia's annexation of Crimea and followed shortly thereafter with the rebellion of the Donbass republics and the civil war that all started that same year as well.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
The main specific allegation here is that, instead of buying fuel from approved sources, Zelensky is buying it cheaper from Russia and pocketing the difference.

The obvious question is: why is Putin allowing Russian fuel to be sold to Ukraine, thus "keeping the Ukrainian army on the move"? Do any anonymous US experts have the answer to that?
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most wars are bullshit and it's a way for the military industrial complex of both nations to bilk their citizens.
 
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