Traitors.

[Stone]

Because they will never spend the money they hoard.




Sure, but not when it comes to taxation.




Right, that's a Sales Tax. Usually put in there by the State, not the Federal government. There is no federal sales tax, there are only state sales taxes.




10% of $50,000 is going to have a much bigger impact on someone's ability to be a consumer than 10% of $500,000 would. Or 10% of $5M, for that matter. That's why a flat tax is a dumb idea.




Ummm, that's a refund on their taxes, not the government handing money to people.




Hey, I agree that the tax code should be simplified, but a Flat Tax isn't the answer.




But that doesn't make sense with the economic realities of wages.




Look, I get why you want a Flat Tax...math is too complicated for you and you need things to be simple so you can wrap your head around them. But there's nothing simple about funding a government. Treating government budgets like personal budgets is stupid because governments don't die, so there's no date at which the balance is due. Government also doesn't collect the same amount of revenue each month. It varies wildly.

In theory, we could borrow infinitely and indefinitely and it won't affect the economy in any meaningful way. What does affect the economy is cutting government spending because you're not replacing that spending with new spending in the economy. So that ends up contracting the economy. And an economy that contracts means it's in a recession. It's no coincidence that recessions usually follow tax cuts. It's happened twice this century already nationally.

Said the little kid playing silly video games like a BOY in his Moms basement who has never actually payed a real income tax or property tax in his life. Do those things first little boy,....then MAYBE you can open your mouth.

 

[Neoclitorus]

The Soviets were right to laugh in Ronald Reagan's face when he attempted to lecture them on the benefits of democracy and free and fair elections.

Republicans have never believed in democracy.

This unprecedented Republican attempt to thwart the will of the voters is exactly what Vladimir Putin and Alexsandr Lukashenko would think about doing.

your side's the cheaters

 

[LV426]

3% national sales tax on all non essential goods and services above and beyond the state sales tax. EVERYBODY pays. This SHOULD shut up those who want to sock it to the rich

I actually don't have an issue with a national VAT.

What I would prefer is if instead of taxing consumption, we tax waste. I would rather have a Carbon Tax than a VAT. But I'm good with either.

The more you make,... the more you spend

No, not necessarily. In fact, people on the lower end of the income spectrum are more likely to spend money in the economy than those at the higher end of the income spectrum. That's why stimulus works best when it's targeted to those at the bottom. People will less income are far more likely to spend than save, and our economy doesn't grow by saving. It grows by spending.

Putting more money in the hands of those more likely to spend is how you not only save your economy, but grow it.

Rich people are not the most likely to spend money, poor people are.

 

[LV426]

Said the little kid playing silly video games like a BOY in his Moms basement who has never actually payed a real income tax or property tax in his life. Do those things first little boy,....then MAYBE you can open your mouth.

You don't know anything about me, so this is really just your way of distracting from the larger, more important and more difficult conversation that needs to happen.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Said the little kid playing silly video games like a BOY in his Moms basement who has never actually payed a real income tax or property tax in his life. Do those things first little boy,....then MAYBE you can open your mouth.

You don't know anything about me, so this is really just your way of distracting from the larger, more important and more difficult conversation that needs to happen.

If he's like me, he thinks hardcore liberal chicks can be really hot in bed but are so fucking batshit crazy that it's eventually best to exit such a relationship. YMMV

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Because they will never spend the money they hoard.

why do you feel that they should?

 

[Diesel]

For me, they gave up the game in 1955 when Buckley wrote that Conservatism "stands athwart history, yelling stop!"

Think about that in context of 1955...what had just happened? Brown v. Board of Education and the start of the Civil Rights Movement.

Conservatism was the racist reaction to Civil Rights. Buckley saying he wants to stop history is also him saying he wanted to perpetuate segregation, making segregation a Conservative position.

And guess what? It still is their position today.

Racism is a part of the Republican party's platform. I don't disagree with that.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

 

[Diesel]

You don't know anything about me, so this is really just your way of distracting from the larger, more important and more difficult conversation that needs to happen.

Stone is intellectually vacant. You're not going to get anywhere with him.

 

[Micawber]

Racism is a part of the Republican party's platform. I don't disagree with that.

Certainly de facto. The party is almost all white people. The democratic party is more similar to the melting pot, it includes many
white people and a proportional assortment of other races and ethnicities. Therefore I must infer the Democratic party is interested
more in issues, and the Republican party is primarily concerned with racial identity.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Stone is intellectually vacant. You're not going to get anywhere with him.

Ha! Proof you hate people with a lesser education or IQ than yourself. Sad. Really fucking sad since it's so hypocritical.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Said the little kid playing silly video games like a BOY in his Moms basement who has never actually payed a real income tax or property tax in his life. Do those things first little boy,....then MAYBE you can open your mouth.

You don't know anything about me, so this is really just your way of distracting from the larger, more important and more difficult conversation that needs to happen.

Stone is intellectually vacant. You're not going to get anywhere with him.

Dude, you're just proving a RW meme; you're biased LW elitist who supports using politics to subjugate anyone who thinks differently. Yeh, I get it.

Regardless, the ideals of the Founders remain true: Inalienable Rights. Anyone who doesn't understand this is missing the point.

 

[LV426]

why do you feel that they should?

Because not spending money contracts the economy and creates a recession.

 

[Into the Night]

There is no compromising with Conservatism. It is an anti-democratic cult. Its members have no loyalty to the country, just to their race.

You are describing Democrats.

 

[Into the Night]

The Soviets were right to laugh in Ronald Reagan's face when he attempted to lecture them on the benefits of democracy and free and fair elections.

Republicans have never believed in democracy.

This unprecedented Republican attempt to thwart the will of the voters is exactly what Vladimir Putin and Alexsandr Lukashenko would think about doing.

The United States is not a democracy and never was.

 

[Into the Night]

Well, I'm Gen X so eat a bag of dicks.

I like the Millennials...they're way more fun than the Boomers.

Bigotry. Denial of history.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Ha! Proof you hate people with a lesser education or IQ than yourself. Sad. Really fucking sad since it's so hypocritical.

Hmm, so says the person who mocks me as low IQ with no proof.

While not mocking, or acknowledging the low IQ of Blacks.

You believe Blacks are equal in intelligence, offering no proof.

 

[Into the Night]

Obamacare was a compromise.

No. Obamacare was and is fascism.

Hillary Clinton was a compromise.

No. Hillary Clinton is the Wicked Witch of the East. (Pelosi is the Wicked Witch of the West)

*Biden* was a compromise.

No. Biden doesn't know what day it is or what office he is running for.

Sequestration was a compromise.

No. It is taking of property.

Democrats compromise all the fucking time

You don't compromise with anyone, lair.

and we're expected to handle Conservative egos with kid gloves.

No. We expect you will whine and cry and continue your attempts to overthrow the United States and replace it with fascism by oligarchy.

 

[Into the Night]

The House passed TWO relief bills this year that Conservatism refused to even bring to the floor for a debate.

So eat shit, you fucking hack.

You are describing Democrats. Inversion fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

For me, they gave up the game in 1955 when Buckley wrote that Conservatism "stands athwart history, yelling stop!"

Think about that in context of 1955...what had just happened? Brown v. Board of Education and the start of the Civil Rights Movement.

Conservatism was the racist reaction to Civil Rights. Buckley saying he wants to stop history is also him saying he wanted to perpetuate segregation, making segregation a Conservative position.

And guess what? It still is their position today.

Republicans passed both Civil Rights bills. Democrats fought both of them. Democrats are racist.