Trump Admin bans Harvard from enrolling foreign / international students

[Walt]

As I said, let's pretend that thing said Saudi Arabia Passport, in Arabic...

It says Saudi passport in both English and Arabic in the upper right corner of the picture.

If you refuse to look at the picture, and keep making up lies about what I said, I see no point in communicating with you. This is clearly a US visa in a Saudi Arabian passport. If you are willing to look and apologize, OK, but at this point, I am really not seeing the point.

It still would not mean that 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia

Having a passport from Saudi Arabia is taken as proof that one is from Saudi Arabia. The 9/11 terrorists have been extremely investigated, and 15 out of 19 were Saudi Arabian. Two were from UAE, one was from Egypt, and one was from Lebanon. The four not from Saudi Arabia were strongly connected with Saudi Arabia.

This is Satam al-Suqami's passport/visa. He was born in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia to Saudi Arabian parents. His family had been in Saudi Arabia for as long as records of them exist. He had a Saudi Arabian passport, because he was a Saudi Arabian citizen.

And by the way, the visa also lists him as a Saudi Arabian. It is abbreviated under "nationality."

Satam al-Suqami - Wikipedia

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that is craptacular logic.

It is straightforward proof that having a passport from Saudi Arabia, and a visa saying he is from Saudi Arabia means he is from Saudi Arabia.

For some reason, Saudi Arabia society created and supported a number of terrorists. Lebanon, Afghanistan, and Syria can point to the lack of government for a reason for this, Saudi Arabia has a very intrusive government, so they cannot point to that.

The Saudi Royal Family draws legitimacy from Wahhabism(an extreme form of Islam), and insists its citizens donate to charities that are sometimes terrorist fronts. Many of their citizens have been taught extreme religious teachings by the government. Up until recently, religious police circulated in the country.

Saudi Arabia clearly has a problem.

 

[Walt]

That's what it is.

Damocles started with a position just outside the reasonable, and then backed it up with an extreme refusal to even look at the facts.

Clearly al Suqami was a Saudi Arabian, with a Saudi Arabian passport. That Saudi Arabian passport had a US visa glued inside it, as is a normal practice with many medium term visas.

 

[Walt]

Damocles has been proven wrong in every way about the passport. It is sad that he will not just admit it.

Inane, I claimed that saying because folks came from Saudi Arabia that means the government is responsible is flat crap logic, and it is EXACTLY like saying the US is responsible for the FBI building because the guys who did it were American.

I think we have to look at American society and try to figure out how McVeigh was radicalized. Saudi Arabia has an even deeper trouble, so should be looking harder.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Damocles has been proven wrong in every way about the passport. It is sad that he will not just admit it.


I think we have to look at American society and try to figure out how McVeigh was radicalized. Saudi Arabia has an even deeper trouble, so should be looking harder.

If you look at what Janet Reno and the Clinton administration was doing at the time, it's easy to figure out. Clinton and Reno, his attorney general, decided to crack down hard on "militia" groups across the US. They claimed these were pervasive, and one of the biggest threats to the government and US. This crackdown ended disastrously with the horribly botched Waco raid on the Branch Davidian compound. That was hardly the only raid, and most eventually ended with the defendants being found not guilty of anything. But given Reno's history of fucked up case work, that was likely inevitable.

McVey and Nickols were of the mind "We could be next," so they went out and built a massive bomb to take down a federal building in the heartland of the US.

In short, the Clinton administration went to war with a bunch of mostly harmless knuckleheads and dorks and among them were a few that when pushed would push back and push back hard. That is, the Clinton administration precipitated the Oklahoma City bombing by taking insane Leftist thinking and pushing it out as an action.

Obama and even Biden initially made noises about resurrecting such moves, but someone in both administrations was able to dissuade them from acting and creating another unnecessary national disaster.

 

[Walt]

Clinton and Reno, his attorney general, decided to crack down hard on "militia" groups across the US.... This crackdown ended disastrously with the horribly botched Waco raid on the Branch Davidian compound.

The initial Branch Davidian raid happened two weeks before Reno became Attorney General, so if that was the end, it ended before Reno was Attorney General.

Realistically, the Branch Davidian and the Ruby Ridge raids were both executed under orders from William Barr, who was both Bush's and trump's attorney general. Barr was the alpha and the omega of Epstein, being there both at the beginning and end of his career. Epstein was the person that introduced Barr to trump.

Feel free to look it all up, the Branch Davidian Raid happened on February 28th, and Reno became Attorney General on March 12th. Ruby Ridge happened entirely the previous year in August of 1992, when the election happened in November of 1992. So Clinton was just a candidate running for President, and Reno was Florida State Attorney. Barr was Attorney General, and Bush was President.

 

[serendipity]

Huh?

You truly are an unbelievably ignorant peasant .

 

[Into the Night]

You are spot on ... except that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, not a pyramid scheme. Other than that, your analysis is very astute.

Quite right. It's a Ponzi scheme with a difference. The payments into the scheme are required by law.

 

[Into the Night]

I am claiming that the buck for the trump administration ends with trump.

Works for me.

his administration acts for him. If he does not like what his administration does, he can change it.

And he does, Wally.

Illiteracy: Proper nouns are always capitalized. The first word of a sentence is always capitalized.

 

[Into the Night]

The initial Branch Davidian raid happened two weeks before Reno became Attorney General, so if that was the end, it ended before Reno was Attorney General.

Realistically, the Branch Davidian and the Ruby Ridge raids were both executed under orders from William Barr, who was both Bush's and trump's attorney general. Barr was the alpha and the omega of Epstein, being there both at the beginning and end of his career. Epstein was the person that introduced Barr to trump.

Feel free to look it all up, the Branch Davidian Raid happened on February 28th, and Reno became Attorney General on March 12th. Ruby Ridge happened entirely the previous year in August of 1992, when the election happened in November of 1992. So Clinton was just a candidate running for President, and Reno was Florida State Attorney. Barr was Attorney General, and Bush was President.

Nope. It happened under Clinton and Reno.

 

[Into the Night]

It says Saudi passport in both English and Arabic in the upper right corner of the picture.

You STILL trying this inane chanting, Wally?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You are spot on ... except that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, not a pyramid scheme. Other than that, your analysis is very astute.

Random words. No apparent coherency.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Nope. It happened under Clinton and Reno.

Random words. No apparent coherency.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

As I said, let's pretend that thing said Saudi Arabia Passport, in Arabic... It still would not mean that 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, that is craptacular logic. Just because someone is from there and does something bad it does not mean that the government did it. That is the worst logic ever.

While I agree, the fact remains that the Wahabi movement inside Saudi Arabia had a lot of support from Saudi rich. The War on Terror quelled that AFAIK.

Add to this that there are several JPP MAGAts who link any criminal act by a lone nutjob with "the Left" or Democrats. The recent murder of two people in NY by antisemite Elias Rodriguez is a recent example.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00263206.2011.544098

Saudi Arabia found itself under an unflattering spotlight in the wake of the events of 9/11, perhaps more than any other country in the Middle East. The fact that 15 of the 19 suicide skyjackers were Saudi citizens provoked an avalanche of criticism in the West as well as in some parts of the Islamic and Arab world against Saudi religious beliefs, rulers, social customs, and school curricula. This article traces the Wahhabi Post-9/11 ideological “self-examination” of relationships with non-Wahhabis. Emphasis will be placed on the current Wahhabi perceptions of the fundamental terms of “other” and “otherness” that are most likely to affect relationships between the Wahhabis and other cultures and religious groups. I argue that post-9/11 Wahhabi Islam acknowledges the problematic nature of its traditional perception of the ‘other’ and, therefore, is making significant and unprecedented efforts to reformulate and redefine religious doctrines, such as jihad, tolerance, interfaith dialogue and so forth.

 

[Walt]

Nope. It happened under Clinton and Reno.

The Ruby Ridge shootout happened on August 21st, 1992. The election for Clinton happened later on November 3rd, 1992. He was not inaugurated until January 20th, 1993. There is no way to lay Ruby Ridge on Clinton or Reno's door. That was Bush and Barr(later trump's attorney general). Yet again, I am not saying that Barr was criminally libel, or not criminally libel, just that he failed badly, and we have to wonder why trump would appoint someone who failed that badly.

The Waco shootout happened on February 28th, 1993, so a few weeks after Clinton came to office, but two weeks before Reno came to office on March 12th, 1993. It too was the brainchild of Barr.

So if there was a rising government violence against militias leading up to the Waco Raid, it was under Barr(later trump's attorney general).

Ruby Ridge standoff - Wikipedia

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Bill Clinton - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Waco siege - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Janet Reno - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The Ruby Ridge shootout happened on August 21st, 1992. The election for Clinton happened later on November 3rd, 1992. He was not inaugurated until January 20th, 1993. There is no way to lay Ruby Ridge on Clinton or Reno's door. That was Bush and Barr(later trump's attorney general). Yet again, I am not saying that Barr was criminally libel, or not criminally libel, just that he failed badly, and we have to wonder why trump would appoint someone who failed that badly.

The Waco shootout happened on February 28th, 1993, so a few weeks after Clinton came to office, but two weeks before Reno came to office on March 12th, 1993. It too was the brainchild of Barr.

So if there was a rising government violence against militias leading up to the Waco Raid, it was under Barr(later trump's attorney general).

Ruby Ridge standoff - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bill Clinton - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Waco siege - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Janet Reno - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

MAGAts and the mentally ill have Alternative Facts. Jus' sayin'.

 

[Walt]

You STILL trying this inane chanting, Wally?

Christiefan has kindly offered pictures of the outside and main page of the document, thank you Christiefan. It is clearly a Saudi Arabian passport, with a US visa glued inside.

@christiefan915

 

[Nordberg]

Trump and the right are trying to control education in America. It is part of the plan for an oligarchy and a dictator. We have been proud of our higher education in America. To the dictator wannabe, it has to be submissive to him.

 

[Jarod]

In an ongoing fight with Harvard, the Trump administration has revoked Harvard's Student and Exchange Visitor program certificate. This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students or seek to bring foreign academics or others to their campus to speak or work. Current foreign students will have to transfer to other schools or face being deported on loss of their student visa.

Trump administration bars Harvard from enrolling foreign students

The Trump administration has revoked Harvard University’s ability to enroll international students in its escalating battle with the Ivy League school.

apnews.com

Trump administration says Harvard can no longer enroll international students

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said existing international students at Harvard must transfer or risk losing their legal status.

www.usatoday.com

As I understand this, Harvard's administration is out judge shopping for one that will slap an injunction on the Trump administration to stop this, not that judges have any jurisdiction over US foreign policy which this clearly falls under...

What ever happened to small government?

 

[Earl]

What ever happened to small government?

It’s getting smaller everyday thanks to DOGE.

Of course, the far left Democrats are opposing this.

They love fraud, waste and abuse.

 

[Earl]

Trump and the right are trying to control education in America. It is part of the plan for an oligarchy and a dictator. We have been proud of our higher education in America. To the dictator wannabe, it has to be submissive to him.

President Trump is returning education to all…including the Jewish students, Nordy.