Trump Administration to Announce Plan to Shield Farmers From Trade War

LV426 said:
Domestic producers will raise their prices. The reason is because these tariffs don't cut back on imports at all; they merely add a tax to it that consumers end up paying for, and never in the history of capitalism has a company lowered prices because of tariffs. You're narrowly thinking within the cost of the product, not the cost of the supply chain that brings that imports the product. For a domestic distributor to switch from foreign suppliers to domestic suppliers, you have to create a brand new supply chain and incur costs to expand production. To whom do you think those costs will be passed?
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Dude, they won't have to lower prices to be cheaper than the imports if the tariff is designed properly. You don't even understand what's going on let alone how to solve it.
 
LV426 said:
So socialism is OK as long as it's Trump voters who get it?
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Bingo.

From the conservative-rightwing perspective, it has always been about petty resentment and grievances about undeserving, lay-about brown people deriving some benefit from our collective tax dollars.

Which is why you will see the rightwing relentlessly complaining about people voting for the Democratic party "to get free stuff". An assertion that is actually their latent racism bubbling to the surface.

White people have always been okay with "socialism" if they are the ones receiving the benefit. FDR's New Deal was largely popular in the south, because in brought massive infrastructure improvements, rural electrification, and jobs programs to southern whites.
 
tinfoil said:
Dude, they won't have to lower prices to be cheaper than the imports if the tariff is designed properly. You don't even understand what's going on let alone how to solve it.
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There is no magic recipe for a tariff that doesn't result in higher prices or job loss.
 
tinfoil said:
Dude, they won't have to lower prices to be cheaper than the imports if the tariff is designed properly. You don't even understand what's going on let alone how to solve it.
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"Designed properly" entails, what?

You are using deliberately vague phrases here to paper over the obvious fact and logic deficit in your argument.

All tariffs do is raise costs and kill jobs.

Never in the history of tariffs have they ever resulted in lower prices and job growth. Never. Not once.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Some excerpts from your article:
"The Agriculture Act of 2014 scraps direct payments in favor of enhanced crop insurance, revises commodity supports, creates a new dairy program, and makes several other policy changes, including an approximate $8 billion cut to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)."

"Bob Stallman, president of the American Farm Bureau Federation, said farmers now have answers about how they can manage the many and varied risks they face in producing food and fiber.

"“It’s been a bumpy road for the farm bill over the past several years, with many twists and turns, but farmers never gave up nor lost momentum in working toward its passage,” Stallman said. “Farm Bureau believes this farm bill will give farmers and ranchers a measure of business certainty for this and coming years, allowing them to better manage risk while carrying out the important business of providing food and jobs for America.”

"Tom Nassif, president and chief executive officer of Western Growers, said the farm bill was a product of tough negotiation, but set an example of bipartisan work. “I hope members of Congress point to the example of the farm bill as our nation grapples with other critical issues facing our industry, like immigration and the devastating drought we now face in California,” Nassif said.

"Martin Barbre, president of the National Corn Growers Association, said the law “means certainty and stability for farmers. It means food on the table for hungry families. And it means taxpayers will save money.”"
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This farm bill expires in 2019.

This is a different animal than deliberately creating a situation (like imposing tariffs that trigger a trade war) that requires a huge financial hit to fix.
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Not at all. It is AID to farmers. Just like every President has done for decades and now.
 
Sailor said:
Not at all. It is AID to farmers. Just like every President has done for decades and now.
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I guess we will have to disagree about this. I see it as pretty much the same thing as a guy setting a house on fire, then he rushes in and saves the baby and is proclaimed a hero.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I guess we will have to disagree about this. I see it as pretty much the same thing as a guy setting a house on fire, then he rushes in and saves the baby and is proclaimed a hero.
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We will disagree. That is one of the things I like about you TOW. We can disagree on something civilly.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
We'll see.
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Oh they'll complain as they are cashing their checks. The USDA is much more generous with farmers and ranchers than the recipients will ever tell you. Need some extra Christmas money all you need to do is get a grant for a new well and fencing to water your livestock and keep them out of the creeks.
 
Kacper said:
Oh they'll complain as they are cashing their checks. The USDA is much more generous with farmers and ranchers than the recipients will ever tell you. Need some extra Christmas money all you need to do is get a grant for a new well and fencing to water your livestock and keep them out of the creeks.
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When my kids were still at home our neighbors were dairy farmers. They did all right for themselves. Those ppl I think no one begrudges "government hand-outs." What we object to are the factory farms that are owned by corporations, not traditional family farms.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
When my kids were still at home our neighbors were dairy farmers. They did all right for themselves. Those ppl I think no one begrudges "government hand-outs." What we object to are the factory farms that are owned by corporations, not traditional family farms.
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The reason you don't begrudge the dairy farmer next door is because of the way the milk support system works. They get/got guaranteed price floors for their product at uniform rates no matter how much they produced that resulted in milk prices higher than you otherwise would have paid, but you don't feel that because you pay the supermarket.

Either way, I am not sure who the "we" is you are referring to, but the system has always been designed to benefit the corporate farmer and not the small farmer despite numerous urban legends to the contrary. Should you be interested it is more delineated here: https://newfoodeconomy.org/rural-trump-vote-democrat-farm-policy/
 
So let's recap:

It's socialism of the worst kind to provide health care to every citizen to treat their illnesses that many get through no fault of their own, yet we must subsidize failing businesses because their owners voted for the wrong guy?

Fuck that.
 
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