Trump denies the fact that police kill Black Americans at a higher rate than white

The data IS clear. Police kill blacks at a rate approximately 2.5% (or more) than whites

Not when accounting for crime statistics you stupid fuck.

Police kill disproportionately more unarmed whites than unarmed blacks when accounting for the disproportionate crime rates EG black males only account for 6% of the population but commit 52% of the homicides. They get killed more police in real numbers because police are located more predominantly in areas with higher crime rates.

Furthermore; black police are more likely to kill black suspects than white police completely debunking the theory that it is racially motivated. The NYTs is BLM Marxist propaganda. The problem isn't police the problem is blacks.

And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a broader category than “murder” but let’s not split hairs.

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Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.

As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story.

In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

Clearly, these figures are problematic. We’re talking about arrests not convictions, and high black arrest rates could be taken as evidence that the police are racist.

But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey.

This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.


https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

“We found that the race of the officer doesn’t matter when it comes to predicting whether black or white citizens are shot,” Cesario said. “If anything, black citizens are more likely to have been shot by black officers, but this is because black officers are drawn from the same population that they police. So, the more black citizens there are in a community, the more black police officers there are.”

The data show that it’s not racial bias on behalf of white officers relative to black officers when it comes to fatal shootings, and that’s good news. The bad news, Cesario said, is that internal policy changes, such as diversifying police forces, may not reduce shootings of minority citizens.

Beyond officer race, the team drew other conclusions about details related to racial disparities in fatal officer shootings.

“Many people ask whether black or white citizens are more likely to be shot and why. We found that violent crime rates are the driving force behind fatal shootings,” Cesario said.

“Our data show that the rate of crime by each racial group correlates with the likelihood of citizens from that racial group being shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of white people committing crimes, white people are more likely to be shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of black people committing crimes, black people are more likely to be shot. It is the best predictor we have of fatal police shootings.”


https://research.msu.edu/the-truth-behind-racial-disparties-in-fatal-police-shootings/
 
Please notice the difference between raw numbers and proportions.



Police kill disproportionately more unarmed whites than unarmed blacks when accounting for the disproportionate crime rates EG black males only account for 6% of the population but commit 52% of the homicides. They get killed more police in real numbers because police are located more predominantly in areas with higher crime rates.

Furthermore; black police are more likely to kill black suspects than white police completely debunking the theory that it is racially motivated. The NYTs is BLM Marxist propaganda. The problem isn't police the problem is blacks.

And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a broader category than “murder” but let’s not split hairs.

27_bjs_use.jpg


Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.

As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story.

In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

Clearly, these figures are problematic. We’re talking about arrests not convictions, and high black arrest rates could be taken as evidence that the police are racist.

But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey.

This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.


https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

“We found that the race of the officer doesn’t matter when it comes to predicting whether black or white citizens are shot,” Cesario said. “If anything, black citizens are more likely to have been shot by black officers, but this is because black officers are drawn from the same population that they police. So, the more black citizens there are in a community, the more black police officers there are.”

The data show that it’s not racial bias on behalf of white officers relative to black officers when it comes to fatal shootings, and that’s good news. The bad news, Cesario said, is that internal policy changes, such as diversifying police forces, may not reduce shootings of minority citizens.

Beyond officer race, the team drew other conclusions about details related to racial disparities in fatal officer shootings.

“Many people ask whether black or white citizens are more likely to be shot and why. We found that violent crime rates are the driving force behind fatal shootings,” Cesario said.

“Our data show that the rate of crime by each racial group correlates with the likelihood of citizens from that racial group being shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of white people committing crimes, white people are more likely to be shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of black people committing crimes, black people are more likely to be shot. It is the best predictor we have of fatal police shootings.”


https://research.msu.edu/the-truth-behind-racial-disparties-in-fatal-police-shootings/
 
Over twice as many blacks shot by cops than whites. Of course that is significant.

Not when accounting for crime statistics you stupid fuck.

Police kill disproportionately more unarmed whites than unarmed blacks when accounting for the disproportionate crime rates EG black males only account for 6% of the population but commit 52% of the homicides. They get killed more police in real numbers because police are located more predominantly in areas with higher crime rates.

Furthermore; black police are more likely to kill black suspects than white police completely debunking the theory that it is racially motivated. The NYTs is BLM Marxist propaganda. The problem isn't police the problem is blacks.

And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a broader category than “murder” but let’s not split hairs.

27_bjs_use.jpg


Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.

As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story.

In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

Clearly, these figures are problematic. We’re talking about arrests not convictions, and high black arrest rates could be taken as evidence that the police are racist.

But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey.

This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.


https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

“We found that the race of the officer doesn’t matter when it comes to predicting whether black or white citizens are shot,” Cesario said. “If anything, black citizens are more likely to have been shot by black officers, but this is because black officers are drawn from the same population that they police. So, the more black citizens there are in a community, the more black police officers there are.”

The data show that it’s not racial bias on behalf of white officers relative to black officers when it comes to fatal shootings, and that’s good news. The bad news, Cesario said, is that internal policy changes, such as diversifying police forces, may not reduce shootings of minority citizens.

Beyond officer race, the team drew other conclusions about details related to racial disparities in fatal officer shootings.

“Many people ask whether black or white citizens are more likely to be shot and why. We found that violent crime rates are the driving force behind fatal shootings,” Cesario said.

“Our data show that the rate of crime by each racial group correlates with the likelihood of citizens from that racial group being shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of white people committing crimes, white people are more likely to be shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of black people committing crimes, black people are more likely to be shot. It is the best predictor we have of fatal police shootings.”


https://research.msu.edu/the-truth-behind-racial-disparties-in-fatal-police-shootings/
 
Statistics show that while more white Americans are killed by the police over all, minorities are killed at higher rates. A federal study that examined lethal force used by the police between 2009 and 2012 found that a majority of victims were white, but the victims were disproportionately Black. Black people had a fatality rate at the hands of police officers that was 2.8 times higher than that of white people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
That's probably because blacks are disproportionately violent. Think about it, stupid:

 
He didn't actually deny it, he just said that in raw numbers, cops kill more white people.

And he didn’t actually say anything that wasn’t true lol.

But it caused a fuss because it goes against the narrative. What goes on here is stats can be used to support either position—it’s a simply matter of how the stats are analyzed and the degree to which other factors are taken into account.

But the real story here is half the country is being led by the carrot on race—and the donkey never really gets the carrot. Being ‘played’ is another way to put it.

It’s Orwellian, that the rate of black on black homicide is considered ‘the deflection’ compared to the occasional black that gets killed by a cop. Take all the black murder victims in a year and put them in a lottery. The ones who happen to be killed by a cop are the lottery winners, statistically.

If they are unarmed and killed by a white cop—they hit the mega lottery and they become household names. In reality, they are a drop in the bucket.

We’re never going to get the carrot on race—because the donkey isn’t supposed to get the carrot.

Stop being a donkey.
 
And blacks are something like 7 times more likely to be criminals, because they refuse to behave themselves.... I cant be bothered to look up the stats at the moment....pointing out how you clearly are not conversant with reality is where I was headed.

The rate is 2.5 times the number of blacks killed as whites. That’s the reality, Jethro.

Are they more likely to be criminals? You need to address the disparity in legal representation between blacks and whites in our criminal justice system.
 
Not when accounting for crime statistics you stupid fuck.

Police kill disproportionately more unarmed whites than unarmed blacks when accounting for the disproportionate crime rates EG black males only account for 6% of the population but commit 52% of the homicides. They get killed more police in real numbers because police are located more predominantly in areas with higher crime rates.

Furthermore; black police are more likely to kill black suspects than white police completely debunking the theory that it is racially motivated. The NYTs is BLM Marxist propaganda. The problem isn't police the problem is blacks.

And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a broader category than “murder” but let’s not split hairs.

27_bjs_use.jpg


Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.

As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story.

In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

Clearly, these figures are problematic. We’re talking about arrests not convictions, and high black arrest rates could be taken as evidence that the police are racist.

But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey.

This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.


https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

“We found that the race of the officer doesn’t matter when it comes to predicting whether black or white citizens are shot,” Cesario said. “If anything, black citizens are more likely to have been shot by black officers, but this is because black officers are drawn from the same population that they police. So, the more black citizens there are in a community, the more black police officers there are.”

The data show that it’s not racial bias on behalf of white officers relative to black officers when it comes to fatal shootings, and that’s good news. The bad news, Cesario said, is that internal policy changes, such as diversifying police forces, may not reduce shootings of minority citizens.

Beyond officer race, the team drew other conclusions about details related to racial disparities in fatal officer shootings.

“Many people ask whether black or white citizens are more likely to be shot and why. We found that violent crime rates are the driving force behind fatal shootings,” Cesario said.

“Our data show that the rate of crime by each racial group correlates with the likelihood of citizens from that racial group being shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of white people committing crimes, white people are more likely to be shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of black people committing crimes, black people are more likely to be shot. It is the best predictor we have of fatal police shootings.”


https://research.msu.edu/the-truth-behind-racial-disparties-in-fatal-police-shootings/

You can cut and paste all the crime stats you want. People who are killed by police are not afforded the opportunity of the criminal justice system, even as poor as it is for blacks, anyway.

Crime follows poverty and lack of opportunity, Cletus, no matter what your skin color.
 
The rate is 2.5 times the number of blacks killed as whites. That’s the reality, Jethro.

Are they more likely to be criminals? You need to address the disparity in legal representation between blacks and whites in our criminal justice system.

Not when accounting for crime statistics you stupid fuck.

Police kill disproportionately more unarmed whites than unarmed blacks when accounting for the disproportionate crime rates EG black males only account for 6% of the population but commit 52% of the homicides. They get killed more police in real numbers because police are located more predominantly in areas with higher crime rates.

Furthermore; black police are more likely to kill black suspects than white police completely debunking the theory that it is racially motivated. The NYTs is BLM Marxist propaganda. The problem isn't police the problem is blacks.

And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a broader category than “murder” but let’s not split hairs.

27_bjs_use.jpg


Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.

As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story.

In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

Clearly, these figures are problematic. We’re talking about arrests not convictions, and high black arrest rates could be taken as evidence that the police are racist.

But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey.

This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.


https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

“We found that the race of the officer doesn’t matter when it comes to predicting whether black or white citizens are shot,” Cesario said. “If anything, black citizens are more likely to have been shot by black officers, but this is because black officers are drawn from the same population that they police. So, the more black citizens there are in a community, the more black police officers there are.”

The data show that it’s not racial bias on behalf of white officers relative to black officers when it comes to fatal shootings, and that’s good news. The bad news, Cesario said, is that internal policy changes, such as diversifying police forces, may not reduce shootings of minority citizens.

Beyond officer race, the team drew other conclusions about details related to racial disparities in fatal officer shootings.

“Many people ask whether black or white citizens are more likely to be shot and why. We found that violent crime rates are the driving force behind fatal shootings,” Cesario said.

“Our data show that the rate of crime by each racial group correlates with the likelihood of citizens from that racial group being shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of white people committing crimes, white people are more likely to be shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of black people committing crimes, black people are more likely to be shot. It is the best predictor we have of fatal police shootings.”


https://research.msu.edu/the-truth-behind-racial-disparties-in-fatal-police-shootings/
 
You can cut and paste all the crime stats you want. People who are killed by police are not afforded the opportunity of the criminal justice system, even as poor as it is for blacks, anyway.

Crime follows poverty and lack of opportunity, Cletus, no matter what your skin color.

That was addressed moron:





Clearly, these figures are problematic. We’re talking about arrests not convictions, and high black arrest rates could be taken as evidence that the police are racist.

But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey.

This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.


https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime
 
Since 50% of violent crime in America is committed by 13% (actually 7% are young black males) one would expect more blacks to be killed .

The answer...tell the blacks to stop committing violent crimes.
 
That was addressed moron:





Clearly, these figures are problematic. We’re talking about arrests not convictions, and high black arrest rates could be taken as evidence that the police are racist.

But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey.

This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.


https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

“ All sociologists have suffered from the same basic problem: finding urban white communities that are as disadvantaged as the poorest black neighbourhoods, so that you can get a fair comparison.”
 
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