Trump on the SAVE America Act: "It will assure the security of our crooked elections."

signalmankenneth said:
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Where did those numbers come from? Right now she's using a SWAGPOOHA.

For example, birth certificate fees:

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Aside from that, if you lost your birth certificate, and almost everyone in the US got one when born, that's on you, not the government. Women don't need a birth certificate that matches their married name. They have a marriage certificate for that, another vital document they should have held onto after marriage. If you didn't that's on you.

You paid to get the certificate when you got married.

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Why the fuck didn't YOU keep a copy where you knew where it is? It's on YOU if you lost that important document. Same goes for a divorce decree. YOU, not the government, not somebody else, is responsible for safeguarding important personal documents. If you didn't bother, that's on YOU--PERIOD!

No different than a veteran not having a copy of their DD 214. It says right on the goddamned document that "This is an important document. Safeguard it."

Millions of Americans never leave the US. Why should they get a passport? If you travel, even to places like Canada and Mexico you really need a passport today. That too, is on you, not the government.

So, her claims there are typical female shifting the blame nonsense. Take personal fucking responsibility for your life, bitch!

Melanie D'Arrigo is FULL OF SHIT! Take some personal responsibility in your life!
 
BartenderElite said:
So, a local race over half a century ago. Was that proven? Do you have a link for that? Would any current law being proposed have prevented it?

The reason our elections aren't "perceived" as fair is because Trump and many in MAGA have screamed "fraud" and "rigged" for years now, with no evidence.
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Well blocking windows so people could not see what was going on in Philadelphia and sending election watchers home then continuing counting in Atlanta and pulling ballots from under tables in Atlanta and losing the chain of custody on on ten of thousands ballots in Atlanta and Stacey Abram's company providing the majority of election workers did exactly inspire confidence in the election. Remember Trump only lost Atlanta by 12K votes. Plus courts overstepping their legal jurisdiction and changing voting laws instead of the Constitutionally authorized state legislatures. And in at least one state those changes gave some voters more time to vote than other voters. Want to guess which areas were given more time to vote? The unmanned ballot boxes paid for by left wing supporters. The mass mailing out of un-requested ballots to last known addresses instead of sending them to voters that requested them. Plus continuing to count votes that came in after the election. Then an Union (Postal ) having control of ballots oh and that Union's members are predominantly Democrats.


But yeah in person voter ID or requested mail out ballots and no drop boxes would add to voter confidence. IMHO
 
BartenderElite said:
If Trump had never shouted "rigged" after the 2020 election, no one would have questioned anything.

And what a weird list. "Motor voter laws?" You don't like it when it's easy to register?
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No. Terry doesn't like it when Democrats register. Or vote. Or exist.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It has everything to do with my being able to see every one of those items being highly susceptible to fraud. Worse, fraud that would be hard or impossible to detect.
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There is no fraud. Your saying it repeatedly doesn't make it true. You don't know shit. All you know is you don't like it when Democrats vote at all.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
What other laws do you think are "paranoid?" People rarely make explosives in their garage, but we have laws against doing that. By your logic, those are unnecessary.


Yes, they potentially are. For example, if everyone getting a driver's license is automatically registered to vote and the person getting a license has to ask not to be registered, then in states that issue licenses to illegals, felons, and other ineligible persons, they'd be registered to vote unless they specifically asked not to be registered.

Or, ballot harvesting. A harvester goes door to door collecting ballots. They collect blank ones so long as the person signs for it and then later fills it out. Or, they collect in an area that is likely to vote against their preferred candidates and then tosses those ballots out. How would either be detected?

Lack of evidence of fraud is not evidence of lack of fraud. The best, smartest, criminals are the ones that never get caught.

My responses have NOTHING to do with Trump. You are using an excuse and canard with that in my case.
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A lot of nonsense words.
 
FastLane said:
Yes. LBJ famously found voter boxes that narrowly provided a win when his was running in Texas. Election need to be PRECIEVED as fair. They currently are not. They general public needs to precieve that elections are being fairly conducted.
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Lol nice try. Elections were fine before trump started lying about them.
 
Phantasmal said:
More Americans believe elections are fair than don’t. It’s mostly MAGAts who don’t trust elections, because it’s a cult and they follow their faulted leader.
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30% of this nation will always follow trump. The rest of us can think for ourselves.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Where did those numbers come from? Right now she's using a SWAGPOOHA.

For example, birth certificate fees:

www.usbirthcertificates.com

Official Fees - US Birth Certificates and Vital Records

To request a birth certificate you are required to pay the state of birth's processing fees. Find out what are your state's fee to get a birth certificate.
www.usbirthcertificates.com www.usbirthcertificates.com

Aside from that, if you lost your birth certificate, and almost everyone in the US got one when born, that's on you, not the government. Women don't need a birth certificate that matches their married name. They have a marriage certificate for that, another vital document they should have held onto after marriage. If you didn't that's on you.

You paid to get the certificate when you got married.

winenfood.com

How Much a Marriage Certificate Costs By State

Getting married? Discover how much a marriage certificate costs in every state for 2026. Our complete guide breaks down fees, waiting periods, and secrets to save.
winenfood.com winenfood.com

Why the fuck didn't YOU keep a copy where you knew where it is? It's on YOU if you lost that important document. Same goes for a divorce decree. YOU, not the government, not somebody else, is responsible for safeguarding important personal documents. If you didn't bother, that's on YOU--PERIOD!

No different than a veteran not having a copy of their DD 214. It says right on the goddamned document that "This is an important document. Safeguard it."

Millions of Americans never leave the US. Why should they get a passport? If you travel, even to places like Canada and Mexico you really need a passport today. That too, is on you, not the government.

So, her claims there are typical female shifting the blame nonsense. Take personal fucking responsibility for your life, bitch!

Melanie D'Arrigo is FULL OF SHIT! Take some personal responsibility in your life!
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LOL. You impeacining an information source? Hey Terry. Goebbels called from Hell. He suggests you take it down a notch.
 
Changing how elections are conducted cant be done on the fly or at the last minute.....wouldnt it have been nice if this had been done in the Spring rather than servicing the oligarchs with the Big Beautiful Bill.....
 
T. A. Gardner said:
False statistics. 1 billion people didn't vote in American elections. A couple hundred million, at most, voted repeatedly in multiple elections. We may not have a problem with voter fraud but we certainly have a problem with idiots, as this meme / post shows.
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Not fake, that's the total number of national election votes in those 24 years.

Math, kiddo.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
False statistics. 1 billion people didn't vote in American elections. A couple hundred million, at most, voted repeatedly in multiple elections. We may not have a problem with voter fraud but we certainly have a problem with idiots, as this meme / post shows.
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Add up the votes, local, state, and federal on fifty years. If not a billion, close to it. But since you offer no source, that's only your opinion.
 
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