Trump isn't all that ideological.
If the Dems /#neverTrumps were not 100% intransigent I'm sure there could be compromises for the greater good
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If the Dems /#neverTrumps were not 100% intransigent I'm sure there could be compromises for the greater good
go smoke some more dope.Lies
You are too stupid to discern anything ; not even truthiness
Trump isn't all that ideological.
If the Dems /#neverTrumps were not 100% intransigent I'm sure there could be compromises for the greater good
Idiotic lies.
Yup.
Love how the idiot turns shit around that he admits he doesn't understand.
extreme bullshit.
The Dems will never back ANYTHING Trump proposes; even for the good of the country.
They are TDS infected "da resistance".. F.F.Sake -Schumer was even criticizing the optics of NK's prisoner release!
The Repubs are worthless corporatists to be sure, but the Dem's are mindless Trump-haters.
Congress is an unwilling partner on making America great again.
So Trump has to use executive action to lower list pricing of Rx drugs
Lying sack of human feces.
pop some more hydro codone you junkie loser.
ROFL. You have degraded your posting to one of non sequiturs , and that's the coherent ones.Yup.
Love how the idiot turns shit around that he admits he doesn't understand.
Mostly you froth without purpose
ROFL. You have degraded your posting to one of non sequiturs , and that's the coherent ones.
Mostly you froth without purpose
At least I understand what "going after other countries " means....ignoramus.
no you didn't -not without a link.The statement was unreferencedAt least I understand what "going after other countries " means....ignoramus.
no you didn't -not without a link.The statement was unreferenced
You stupid fucking shitstain.
Don't try to spread your ignorance.
The reference is clear as day, the Donald wants other countries to pay more...to make it fair... to the US..
You either have severe reading comprehension issues..or as Darla said repeatedly, you are fucking stupid.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello noise,
It is true that President Trump cannot do this without Congress.
And it is equally as true that HE HAS NOT TRIED to get Congress to do it.
That's because he is a WEAK PRESIDENT.
For such a highly self-acclaimed capitalist, he sure has quite little Political Capital...
And what little he has?
Got it by political bullying.
He's just a sad outsider. Always has been, always will be.
I liked what they said in the OP link.
It's a great big sugar-coated NOTHING PILL for drug prices.
Just a bunch of talk and fanfare. Mission unaccomplished. Drug prices still high.
HEY EVERYBODY!
Raise your hands if you think drug prices are really going to get lower!
OK, Go ahead!
Any time...
Go on, put 'em up if you think you're gonna see any reduction in drug prices out of this.
Anybody?
Funny.
I don't see any hands up.
The prescription drug reductions is because CONGRESS will not act -as usual.
What Trump is doing is taking out the high price structure of drugs, that allows for a lot of "middlemen"
to take huge profits out of the supply chain. Lowering the list pricing means lower costs throughout the supply chains
Negotiating changes by Medicare would require a Congress that isn't 100% worthless like this bunch ( Dems & Repbs). Congress wil. never act- so Trump has to use executive action
It is true that President Trump cannot do this without Congress.
And it is equally as true that HE HAS NOT TRIED to get Congress to do it.
That's because he is a WEAK PRESIDENT.
For such a highly self-acclaimed capitalist, he sure has quite little Political Capital...
And what little he has?
Got it by political bullying.
He's just a sad outsider. Always has been, always will be.
I liked what they said in the OP link.
It's a great big sugar-coated NOTHING PILL for drug prices.
Just a bunch of talk and fanfare. Mission unaccomplished. Drug prices still high.
HEY EVERYBODY!
Raise your hands if you think drug prices are really going to get lower!
OK, Go ahead!
Any time...
Go on, put 'em up if you think you're gonna see any reduction in drug prices out of this.
Anybody?
Funny.
I don't see any hands up.
stupid. Trump doesn't bring political capitol, but that's not what we wanted.Hello noise,
It is true that President Trump cannot do this without Congress.
And it is equally as true that HE HAS NOT TRIED to get Congress to do it.
That's because he is a WEAK PRESIDENT.
For such a highly self-acclaimed capitalist, he sure has quite little Political Capital...
And what little he has?
Got it by political bullying.
He's just a sad outsider. Always has been, always will be.
I liked what they said in the OP link.
It's a great big sugar-coated NOTHING PILL for drug prices.
Just a bunch of talk and fanfare. Mission unaccomplished. Drug prices still high.
HEY EVERYBODY!
Raise your hands if you think drug prices are really going to get lower!
OK, Go ahead!
Any time...
Go on, put 'em up if you think you're gonna see any reduction in drug prices out of this.
Anybody?
Funny.
I don't see any hands up.
If Jeb Bush somehow got the POTUS, the Dems would be the same obtructionists, if not all in 'da resistance'.
Reducing the profit margins in the supply chain reduces costs as well
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello noise,
Absurd. A President without political capital is weak and ineffectual. Great Presidents must have political capital to cause great achievements.
Projection.
I disagree. I do not see the Democrats making vows to cause the President to be a failure. People who compromise their ideals often believe it is because 'That's what everyone is doing,' but that doesn't mean they are correct. Republicans and Democrats fight differently. I see the Democrats as more issue-oriented, a little hung up on identity politics. I see the Republicans as more ideal-oriented, and far too unwilling to compromise.
Do you believe you are going to see lower drug prices as a result of this? That would be fabulous. How great are the savings you expect, and how soon do you expect to see them?
I do not believe there will be ANY significant savings.
And neither do investors in Big Pharma.
Just more of the old Class War.
The Rich, making a bunch of money ripping off the nation. If you can't afford to invest in stock then you get left out. If you can invest a lot, you get way richer (Trump's Class) but if you can only invest a little or nothing then you get left behind or left OUT. You lose that battle in the Class War just as the poor and middle lose every battle of the Class War.
Good old crony capitalism. A tool of the super-rich, used in the Class War.
Trump doesn't bring political capitol, but that's not what we wanted.
Absurd. A President without political capital is weak and ineffectual. Great Presidents must have political capital to cause great achievements.
If Jeb Bush somehow got the POTUS, the Dems would be the same obtructionists, if not all in 'da resistance'.
Projection.
I disagree. I do not see the Democrats making vows to cause the President to be a failure. People who compromise their ideals often believe it is because 'That's what everyone is doing,' but that doesn't mean they are correct. Republicans and Democrats fight differently. I see the Democrats as more issue-oriented, a little hung up on identity politics. I see the Republicans as more ideal-oriented, and far too unwilling to compromise.
Reducing the profit margins in the supply chain reduces costs as well
Do you believe you are going to see lower drug prices as a result of this? That would be fabulous. How great are the savings you expect, and how soon do you expect to see them?
I do not believe there will be ANY significant savings.
And neither do investors in Big Pharma.
Just more of the old Class War.
The Rich, making a bunch of money ripping off the nation. If you can't afford to invest in stock then you get left out. If you can invest a lot, you get way richer (Trump's Class) but if you can only invest a little or nothing then you get left behind or left OUT. You lose that battle in the Class War just as the poor and middle lose every battle of the Class War.
Good old crony capitalism. A tool of the super-rich, used in the Class War.
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Trump isn't all that ideological.
If the Dems /#neverTrumps were not 100% intransigent I'm sure there could be compromises for the greater good
Ideological? Are you counting him being an egomaniac who thinks he knows everything and should unilaterally make all decisions? Trump personally pulled us out of the Iran deal is defiance of every damn ally we have , except Israel and maybe Saudi Arabia. We had several allies do face to faces trying to get Trump to think. The bulk of Americans wanted to stay in.
TRump thinks Iran is an enemy. If so, why does he prefer them being a nuclear enemy?
of course,and Trump is slowly building capital, a his poll numbers improve.Absurd. A President without political capital is weak and ineffectual. Great Presidents must have political capital to cause great achievements.
I mentioned "he did not bring political capital" to the job and in fact has been hamstrung by "Russian collusion" crappola.
But he's persevering, and the economy is good to excellent -even sluggish wage growth is improving.
That's how one builds credibility with the American people, which translates to political capital as well
are you paying attention to 'da resistance?' It's the Dems running a scorched earth policy.Projection.
I disagree. I do not see the Democrats making vows to cause the President to be a failure. People who compromise their ideals often believe it is because 'That's what everyone is doing,' but that doesn't mean they are correct. Republicans and Democrats fight differently. I see the Democrats as more issue-oriented, a little hung up on identity politics. I see the Republicans as more ideal-oriented, and far too unwilling to compromise.
They refuse to get behind any legislation - and are in fact using every possible delay tactic to allow Trump's nominee's through.
It took over a year to approve the German ambassador -why?- pure obstructionism to the point of resisting ANYTHING Trump wants done, whether the Dems agree or not.
the economics are sound enough.Do you believe you are going to see lower drug prices as a result of this? That would be fabulous. How great are the savings you expect, and how soon do you expect to see them?
I do not believe there will be ANY significant savings.
Reduce the list price of high priced drugs.
That makes them less expensive for the end user as well as the "middlemen" thru the supply chain ability
to take large profits out of the chain
you are making that assumption off one's days stock prices? and the goal is not to eliminate profits but to make them more equitable in terms ofprice spikesAnd neither do investors in Big Pharma.
the rich make money off investments -why is this class warfare?Just more of the old Class War.
The Rich, making a bunch of money ripping off the nation. If you can't afford to invest in stock then you get left out. If you can invest a lot, you get way richer (Trump's Class) but if you can only invest a little or nothing then you get left behind or left OUT. You lose that battle in the Class War just as the poor and middle lose every battle of the Class War.
capitalism for sure -but not crony capitalism,unless you think Trump is in Big Pharma's pocket?Good old crony capitalism. A tool of the super-rich, used in the Class War.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello noise,
You didn't answer the question.
Do you believe you are going to see lower drug prices as a result of this?
How great are the savings you expect?
How soon do you expect to see them?"
Yes, because it is a very significant day. Not really the entire day, either, but what happened immediately following Trump's announcement.
Who said anything about eliminating profits? Big Pharma is currently making a killing in excess profits, way more than they need, nor is justifiable. The people at the top of that food chain are among the richest in the nation. Which is ridiculous. I certainly agree they do valuable work and they should be well paid, but it is bothersome that they are making such a killing when people are so strapped to afford their products, which are built into the price of health insurance.
People are billionaires because they own huge swaths of Big Pharma. All those riches for all those super-rich people came from the price of drugs we have been paying. And, you know? We have been paying ever-more for drugs at the same time that they have been getting ever-rich! It's almost like there is a direct correlation. Why, I think there IS!
Drug price inflation is not 10% because it costs that much more per year to bring us drugs. It is that high because they can get away with it. They really don't compete at all. And there won't be any competition, either. That's because they manufacture different drugs. Each product is proprietary to the patent-holder. That's where they make their big money. But patents don't last forever. So Big Pharma wants to raise prices as much as possible before patents expire. They have a limited window of time in which to soak us, so they take full advantage of that.
And even after patents expire and generics come out, they play capitalist games to keep the prices up. One company may offer another a buy-out deal to NOT produce a generic of one of their drugs. That could be cheaper if they can keep the prices higher. Just pay off the competition. Oh, yeah. They do that. They do it because they can and they are that greedy. Sickening, isn't it? Better hope you don't need a pill for that.
Personally, I believe this work should be done on a not-for-profit basis. Capitalism is wrong for this. Drug production is something we should be using socialism for. Just do the work, and set up a supply chain. This isn't rocket science. This is holding science hostage. We don't need to be playing all these capitalist games with this. All that does is run the price up. Trump is talking about making new regulations the government would tell this open market they have to follow.
New Regulations From Trump!
Don't you get that? How is that NOT socialism?
We can do so much better. If we are going to use socialism let's do it right.
Seriously, we would be far better off to simply tell the drug makers that the Federal Government is going to take over production of drug making. Period. End of story. We can do that, you know. Offer the existing drug companies a one-time buy-out deal and then that's it. No more drug profits after that. Big Pharma would have to make their best deals with the government and know that if they try to be too greedy that government does not have to give them any more than government decides.
We can make drug profits illegal, as they should be.
We could create a vast government agency to do drug research and production. If we can make an equitable deal with the existing drug-makers, we take over their facilities. Any workers we can keep, we should. Especially if they are good at what they do and they want to stay.
Without the need for the organization to generate any profits, (all they have to do is break even) the savings can be applied to lower drug prices.
Also, since neither Big Pharma nor Care Providers will have to ever haggle over prices, a huge expensive capitalist bureaucracy goes away. Along with all of it's expenses. This would dovetail right into a Single Payer system to realize purely fantastic cost reductions for healthcare all across America, thus making America greater.
Imagine that. We could use socialism to make America greater.
You said it yourself. Trump can't do this by himself and he can't get Congress to do it. Crony Capitalism is the reason.
Crony Capitalism is the reason legislators will not vote against Big Pharma, and the reason Trump has so little Political Capital. Because Trump can't go it alone without Big Pharma onboard for whatever he wants to do.
Me: "Do you believe you are going to see lower drug prices as a result of this? That would be fabulous. How great are the savings you expect, and how soon do you expect to see them?"
the economics are sound enough.
Reduce the list price of high priced drugs.
That makes them less expensive for the end user as well as the "middlemen" thru the supply chain ability
to take large profits out of the chain.
You didn't answer the question.
Do you believe you are going to see lower drug prices as a result of this?
How great are the savings you expect?
How soon do you expect to see them?"
you are making that assumption off one's days stock prices?
Yes, because it is a very significant day. Not really the entire day, either, but what happened immediately following Trump's announcement.
and the goal is not to eliminate profits but to make them more equitable in terms ofprice spikes
Who said anything about eliminating profits? Big Pharma is currently making a killing in excess profits, way more than they need, nor is justifiable. The people at the top of that food chain are among the richest in the nation. Which is ridiculous. I certainly agree they do valuable work and they should be well paid, but it is bothersome that they are making such a killing when people are so strapped to afford their products, which are built into the price of health insurance.
People are billionaires because they own huge swaths of Big Pharma. All those riches for all those super-rich people came from the price of drugs we have been paying. And, you know? We have been paying ever-more for drugs at the same time that they have been getting ever-rich! It's almost like there is a direct correlation. Why, I think there IS!
Drug price inflation is not 10% because it costs that much more per year to bring us drugs. It is that high because they can get away with it. They really don't compete at all. And there won't be any competition, either. That's because they manufacture different drugs. Each product is proprietary to the patent-holder. That's where they make their big money. But patents don't last forever. So Big Pharma wants to raise prices as much as possible before patents expire. They have a limited window of time in which to soak us, so they take full advantage of that.
And even after patents expire and generics come out, they play capitalist games to keep the prices up. One company may offer another a buy-out deal to NOT produce a generic of one of their drugs. That could be cheaper if they can keep the prices higher. Just pay off the competition. Oh, yeah. They do that. They do it because they can and they are that greedy. Sickening, isn't it? Better hope you don't need a pill for that.
Personally, I believe this work should be done on a not-for-profit basis. Capitalism is wrong for this. Drug production is something we should be using socialism for. Just do the work, and set up a supply chain. This isn't rocket science. This is holding science hostage. We don't need to be playing all these capitalist games with this. All that does is run the price up. Trump is talking about making new regulations the government would tell this open market they have to follow.
New Regulations From Trump!
Don't you get that? How is that NOT socialism?
We can do so much better. If we are going to use socialism let's do it right.
Seriously, we would be far better off to simply tell the drug makers that the Federal Government is going to take over production of drug making. Period. End of story. We can do that, you know. Offer the existing drug companies a one-time buy-out deal and then that's it. No more drug profits after that. Big Pharma would have to make their best deals with the government and know that if they try to be too greedy that government does not have to give them any more than government decides.
We can make drug profits illegal, as they should be.
We could create a vast government agency to do drug research and production. If we can make an equitable deal with the existing drug-makers, we take over their facilities. Any workers we can keep, we should. Especially if they are good at what they do and they want to stay.
Without the need for the organization to generate any profits, (all they have to do is break even) the savings can be applied to lower drug prices.
Also, since neither Big Pharma nor Care Providers will have to ever haggle over prices, a huge expensive capitalist bureaucracy goes away. Along with all of it's expenses. This would dovetail right into a Single Payer system to realize purely fantastic cost reductions for healthcare all across America, thus making America greater.
Imagine that. We could use socialism to make America greater.
capitalism for sure -but not crony capitalism,unless you think Trump is in Big Pharma's pocket?
You said it yourself. Trump can't do this by himself and he can't get Congress to do it. Crony Capitalism is the reason.
Crony Capitalism is the reason legislators will not vote against Big Pharma, and the reason Trump has so little Political Capital. Because Trump can't go it alone without Big Pharma onboard for whatever he wants to do.
i can't answer that. if you want a discussion please narrow down the points.Hello noise,
You didn't answer the question.
Do you believe you are going to see lower drug prices as a result of this?
How great are the savings you expect?
How soon do you expect to see them?"
Yes, because it is a very significant day. Not really the entire day, either, but what happened immediately following Trump's announcement.
Who said anything about eliminating profits? Big Pharma is currently making a killing in excess profits, way more than they need, nor is justifiable. The people at the top of that food chain are among the richest in the nation. Which is ridiculous. I certainly agree they do valuable work and they should be well paid, but it is bothersome that they are making such a killing when people are so strapped to afford their products, which are built into the price of health insurance.
People are billionaires because they own huge swaths of Big Pharma. All those riches for all those super-rich people came from the price of drugs we have been paying. And, you know? We have been paying ever-more for drugs at the same time that they have been getting ever-rich! It's almost like there is a direct correlation. Why, I think there IS!
Drug price inflation is not 10% because it costs that much more per year to bring us drugs. It is that high because they can get away with it. They really don't compete at all. And there won't be any competition, either. That's because they manufacture different drugs. Each product is proprietary to the patent-holder. That's where they make their big money. But patents don't last forever. So Big Pharma wants to raise prices as much as possible before patents expire. They have a limited window of time in which to soak us, so they take full advantage of that.
And even after patents expire and generics come out, they play capitalist games to keep the prices up. One company may offer another a buy-out deal to NOT produce a generic of one of their drugs. That could be cheaper if they can keep the prices higher. Just pay off the competition. Oh, yeah. They do that. They do it because they can and they are that greedy. Sickening, isn't it? Better hope you don't need a pill for that.
Personally, I believe this work should be done on a not-for-profit basis. Capitalism is wrong for this. Drug production is something we should be using socialism for. Just do the work, and set up a supply chain. This isn't rocket science. This is holding science hostage. We don't need to be playing all these capitalist games with this. All that does is run the price up. Trump is talking about making new regulations the government would tell this open market they have to follow.
New Regulations From Trump!
Don't you get that? How is that NOT socialism?
We can do so much better. If we are going to use socialism let's do it right.
Seriously, we would be far better off to simply tell the drug makers that the Federal Government is going to take over production of drug making. Period. End of story. We can do that, you know. Offer the existing drug companies a one-time buy-out deal and then that's it. No more drug profits after that. Big Pharma would have to make their best deals with the government and know that if they try to be too greedy that government does not have to give them any more than government decides.
We can make drug profits illegal, as they should be.
We could create a vast government agency to do drug research and production. If we can make an equitable deal with the existing drug-makers, we take over their facilities. Any workers we can keep, we should. Especially if they are good at what they do and they want to stay.
Without the need for the organization to generate any profits, (all they have to do is break even) the savings can be applied to lower drug prices.
Also, since neither Big Pharma nor Care Providers will have to ever haggle over prices, a huge expensive capitalist bureaucracy goes away. Along with all of it's expenses. This would dovetail right into a Single Payer system to realize purely fantastic cost reductions for healthcare all across America, thus making America greater.
Imagine that. We could use socialism to make America greater.
You said it yourself. Trump can't do this by himself and he can't get Congress to do it. Crony Capitalism is the reason.
Crony Capitalism is the reason legislators will not vote against Big Pharma, and the reason Trump has so little Political Capital. Because Trump can't go it alone without Big Pharma onboard for whatever he wants to do.
You do completely ignore da resistance" in favor of Trump bashing.
Dems give Dems a pass always
on a policy of not supporting Trump,even when it matches their own intrests
I do know it's silly took look at 1 days stock prices, when regs haven' even go into effect.
Good luck taking over the pharmaceutical industry
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello noise,
I will take that as a 'No.'
So, basically, even you don't think you will ever see any drug price reduction from this.
Which means you really know deep down inside that Trump is a sell-out to Big Pharma, doesn't want to take them on, is too weak to take them on, can't/won't do anything to help us. Big Pharma controls drug prices, controls our government, controls Trump. Trump, the powerless weakling, is afraid to do anything about it, afraid to be the big talker he was when he wanted our votes.
President Trump let us down
He said he was going to stand up to them.
He let us down.
What a disappointment President Trump is.
If only President Trump was the big talker Candidate Trump was.
America voted for Candidate Trump, but got President Trump instead.
(Not to mention half his family we had no idea we were voting for)
Me:
You didn't answer the question.
Do you believe you are going to see lower drug prices as a result of this?
i can't answer that.
I will take that as a 'No.'
So, basically, even you don't think you will ever see any drug price reduction from this.
Which means you really know deep down inside that Trump is a sell-out to Big Pharma, doesn't want to take them on, is too weak to take them on, can't/won't do anything to help us. Big Pharma controls drug prices, controls our government, controls Trump. Trump, the powerless weakling, is afraid to do anything about it, afraid to be the big talker he was when he wanted our votes.
President Trump let us down
He said he was going to stand up to them.
He let us down.
What a disappointment President Trump is.
If only President Trump was the big talker Candidate Trump was.
America voted for Candidate Trump, but got President Trump instead.
(Not to mention half his family we had no idea we were voting for)
Trump lied about nearly everything the Repubs think he has accomplished. He is fooling you. He is not on your side. He sold it to you and you bought it. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...romise-prescription-drugs-infrastructure.html When will you ever learn?