Trump signs $1.3 Trillion bill he calls redicilous

DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
I would add that John Kasich had a lot to do with the budget during Clinton's presidency. He and Rand Paul would be the only two I would trust to be fiscally conservative in the White House.
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The ultimate issue is congress. Go back to the Reagan days. He legitimately tried to cut spending but for the most part congress would not go along. So if Rand were President could he get congress to do what he wanted?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
did Clinton have an agenda regarding spending......
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You're missing the forest for the trees. Dem President and dem congress = explosive spending growth. Repubkican president and republican congress = explosive spending growth

The only time we've had some, and I use some lightly, fiscal sanity was a Repubkican led congress fighting a democratic president
 
cawacko said:
They all want to get re-elected.
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Bill Clinton was the first president to discuss Welfare Reform and pass a Welfare Reform bill while president.
He took a conservative approach and was hammered for it by the left:

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19930203&slug=1683398

Welfare: `Second Chance, Not Way Of Life' -- Clinton Promises Governors He'll Push For Overhaul
By Ruth Marcus
WASHINGTON - President Clinton pledged yesterday to work for reform that ensures welfare is "a second chance, not a way of life."

Clinton's address to the National Governors Association allowed the president to shift public attention from such incendiary issues as homosexuals in the military toward more politically friendly territory, such as his economic proposals and health-care reform.

Clinton was scheduled to meet at the White House today with a delegation of congressional leaders to discuss campaign-finance reform, another issue he identified as a priority during the campaign.

The president laid the groundwork for that yesterday when he traveled to Capitol Hill and discussed campaign-finance reform in a meeting with the congressional leadership that also focused on his economic plans and the family and medical leave bill.

Clinton's speech on welfare largely restated the broad themes and specific proposals he outlined during the campaign. Clinton would expand job training and education programs for recipients of Aid to Families with Dependent Children and increase the earned-income tax credit to supplement the incomes of the working poor.

Most recipients would be limited to two years of eligibility in the AFDC program, which has grown from 3.5 million families in 1976 and 3.7 million in 1988 to 4.7 million last year. After the two years, they would be required to take jobs either in the private or public sectors.

"No one likes the welfare system as it currently exists, least of all the people who are on it," Clinton said. "The taxpayers, the social-service employees themselves don't think much of it, either. Most people on welfare are yearning for another alternative, aching for the chance to move from dependence to dignity. And we owe it to them to give them that chance. . . .

"I believe two years after a training program is completed, you have to ask people to take a job, ultimately, either in the private sector or in public service," Clinton said yesterday.

During the campaign, Clinton estimated that his program would cost $4 billion for the welfare reform proposals and $2 billion for the earned-income tax credit.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no, but when you choose to make claims which cannot be proven and in fact bear all the signs of lies, what else would you call it?......
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I'd call it a claim?

Why disguise it?

But I don't do that...make claims that bear the signs of being lies...so why do you ask me a question so easy to answer?
 
cawacko said:
The ultimate issue is congress. Go back to the Reagan days. He legitimately tried to cut spending but for the most part congress would not go along. So if Rand were President could he get congress to do what he wanted?
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Trump got Tax Reform passed
President Obama got the ACA passed
President Clinton got Welfare Reform passed

All three of the above had their critics and many thought it would be impossible to pass legislation for them. But it got done.
Cutting spending wouldn't be popular with Congress but if the three issues above could be tackled, anything's possible.
Maybe Reagan didn't try hard enough or didn't have the right management skills to get it done. He failed what President Clinton succeeded.
Sorry but those are the facts and they won't change no matter how much you don't like them.
 
DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
Bill Clinton was the first president to discuss Welfare Reform and pass a Welfare Reform bill while president.
He took a conservative approach and was hammered for it by the left:

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19930203&slug=1683398

Welfare: `Second Chance, Not Way Of Life' -- Clinton Promises Governors He'll Push For Overhaul
By Ruth Marcus
WASHINGTON - President Clinton pledged yesterday to work for reform that ensures welfare is "a second chance, not a way of life."

Clinton's address to the National Governors Association allowed the president to shift public attention from such incendiary issues as homosexuals in the military toward more politically friendly territory, such as his economic proposals and health-care reform.

Clinton was scheduled to meet at the White House today with a delegation of congressional leaders to discuss campaign-finance reform, another issue he identified as a priority during the campaign.

The president laid the groundwork for that yesterday when he traveled to Capitol Hill and discussed campaign-finance reform in a meeting with the congressional leadership that also focused on his economic plans and the family and medical leave bill.

Clinton's speech on welfare largely restated the broad themes and specific proposals he outlined during the campaign. Clinton would expand job training and education programs for recipients of Aid to Families with Dependent Children and increase the earned-income tax credit to supplement the incomes of the working poor.

Most recipients would be limited to two years of eligibility in the AFDC program, which has grown from 3.5 million families in 1976 and 3.7 million in 1988 to 4.7 million last year. After the two years, they would be required to take jobs either in the private or public sectors.

"No one likes the welfare system as it currently exists, least of all the people who are on it," Clinton said. "The taxpayers, the social-service employees themselves don't think much of it, either. Most people on welfare are yearning for another alternative, aching for the chance to move from dependence to dignity. And we owe it to them to give them that chance. . . .

"I believe two years after a training program is completed, you have to ask people to take a job, ultimately, either in the private sector or in public service," Clinton said yesterday.

During the campaign, Clinton estimated that his program would cost $4 billion for the welfare reform proposals and $2 billion for the earned-income tax credit.
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I'm familiar with it. That was about the only big change we've had in the entitlement state since it was created. That doesn't change that they all want to get re-elected though.

Edit: By big change I mean reduction or roll back
 
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DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
Trump got Tax Reform passed
President Obama got the ACA passed
President Clinton got Welfare Reform passed

All three of the above had their critics and many thought it would be impossible to pass legislation for them. But it got done.
Cutting spending wouldn't be popular with Congress but if the three issues above could be tackled, anything's possible.
Maybe Reagan didn't try hard enough or didn't have the right management skills to get it done. He failed what President Clinton succeeded.
Sorry but those are the facts and they won't change no matter how much you don't like them.
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LOL, what? We're not talking about passing legislation. Pay attention my man.
 
cawacko said:
I'm familiar with it. That was about the only big change we've had in the entitlement state since it was created. That doesn't change that they all want to get re-elected though.
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And President Clinton did get re-elected. What's wrong with wanting to get re-elected?
Why do you think President Clinton got re-elected?

BTW, before President Clinton, the Republicans had the White House for 12 years and did nothing about Welfare Reform. Sure didn't act like conservatives, right?
 
DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
And President Clinton did get re-elected. What's wrong with wanting to get re-elected?
Why do you think President Clinton got re-elected?

BTW, before President Clinton, the Republicans had the White House for 12 years and did nothing about Welfare Reform. Sure didn't act like conservatives, right?
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Bro, it's Saturday morning. Go troll someone else
 
cawacko said:
Bro, it's Saturday morning. Go troll someone else
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Like I said: pivot...pivot...pivot.

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smb said:
Yeah because a right wing lunatic knows all about liberal philosophy. The really ironic thing is that you quote Thomas Jefferson. A person who very much believed in government's ability to solve societal issues.
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HAHAHA, you think i'm right wing......you're a moron.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
keep the faith......he's still outnumbered by the DNC and establishment Republicans.......they are the ones we need to get rid of, not the fiscal conservatives......
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All your faith and $7 will get you a latte at Starbucks, PMP.
Faith is worthless and your orange clown is worth less.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
oh get your head out of your ass......this is a Demmycrat spending bill, not a Republican one.....we will revisit this in the midterm election and it certainly isn't going to hurt fiscal conservatives........
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Republican presidency, republican house, republican senate. Why in the world would they all pass and sign a Demmycrat spending bill, PMP?

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