Trump tariffs create budget surplus

T. A. Gardner said:
Some are, many are not. The issue is most of them, possibly all, don't like sudden, massive, changes in the market. They want the same-o, same-o, and stability because it's good for them even if it's not good for the market as a whole.
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So your theory - and it's just a theory - is that anyone who isn't a Democrat should support trump's bill no matter what. And if a Republican doesn't, anything they claim about the tariff's effect on consumer prices is bullshit because all they want is market stability in the short-term?

I'm sorry man. As usual, all you want is 100% with the Republican cult leader, no matter what. If it were a Democrat imposing tariffs, you'd be losing yoru shit about "how stupid tariffs are" <-- of that I am certain, based on your behavior.
 
LurchAddams said:
So your theory - and it's just a theory - is that anyone who isn't a Democrat should support trump's bill no matter what. And if a Republican doesn't, anything they claim about the tariff's effect on consumer prices is bullshit because all they want is market stability in the short-term?
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Bad theory. What I'm saying is the problem detractors of Trump's tariff polices have, for the most part, is that they create uncertainty. Hard core investors hate uncertainty. Sure, venture capitalists don't mind dealing with it, but someone who invests in stocks and such hates uncertainty. That is being expressed and the MSM / news media are taking those statements and republishing them out of context because, like it or not, the vast majority of the MSM / news world HATES Trump with a capital HATES.
Hysteria and angst sells, calm rational story telling doesn't.
LurchAddams said:
I'm sorry man. As usual, all you want is 100% with the Republican cult leader, no matter what. If it were a Democrat imposing tariffs, you'd be losing yoru shit about "how stupid tariffs are" <-- of that I am certain, based on your behavior.
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No, I wouldn't change my tune other than to assess what the Democrat was imposing on whom. That might make a difference.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Bad theory. What I'm saying is the problem detractors of Trump's tariff polices have, for the most part, is that they create uncertainty. Hard core investors hate uncertainty. Sure, venture capitalists don't mind dealing with it, but someone who invests in stocks and such hates uncertainty. That is being expressed and the MSM / news media are taking those statements and republishing them out of context because, like it or not, the vast majority of the MSM / news world HATES Trump with a capital HATES.
Hysteria and angst sells, calm rational story telling doesn't.

No, I wouldn't change my tune other than to assess what the Democrat was imposing on whom. That might make a difference.
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You got to get over this Trump as a martyr routine, the media doesn’t hate Trump, in fact, Trump loves the media, which is the reason he courts it 24/7, it is his schtick. Trump does his best to make sure he is the main focus of the media 24/7, can you recall any past President who is seen so often nearly everyday even when he isn’t doing anything newsworthy?
 
In the first place, Trump has no tariffs. He maybe has a couple, but unproven. Tariffs are worked out by experienced and knowledgeable economists in conferences. They are complicated.
Trump and the right do not understand tariffs. Tariffs are instruments to defend your local industries from price-cutting countries. To protect the industry, we tax the IMPORTERS of specific products. Tariffs are not blanket economic policies. They are not revenue producers. You do not blanket tariff a country. That is not a tariff. It is a Trumff.
Tariffs have been around in America from the beginning. During Washington, we tariffed British clothing companies to start our local clothiers.Note, we did not blanket tariff England. Industries are not all the same. We need other countries to provde products that we cannot produce in sufficient quantities. It is like Trump stupid threats against Brazil. They provide most of our coffee. A blanket tariff would result in shortages and higher prices. Trump is not capable of nuanced thinking. He is an idiot.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
There is an indisputable chronological correlation between the tariff and phenomenal economic growth. From the late 18th to the early 20th twentieth centuries, the United States steadily developed into the most successful economy in the world.
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When Tariffs Worked

In exposing venality, the tariff kept government small, the secret to the economy's great success over half our history
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Examples of US Tariffs [2025]

A tariff is a tax on imports. When foreign goods cross America’s borders, U.S. Customs and Border Protection collects these fees from importing companies. That simple definition masks a reality that shapes everything from the price of your morning coffee to the fate of entire industries. Today’s...
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The Chicken Tax: The Tariff on Poultry that Reshaped the U.S. Auto Industry

How a Poultry Tariff Changed the U.S. Auto Industry
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So, you are full of shit. Tariffs don't always work, but than can work successfully to reshape markets and change the trajectory of industries.
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Wait a minute, if we enjoy “the most successful economy in the world” which you are claiming comes via tariffs then why is Trump repeatedly saying everyone is ripping America off? That they are stealing from America with their tariffs?

Tariffs can be beneficial if applied strategically and specific, which is not what Trump is doing, in fact, he is doing the exact opposite. As we all know from the likes of Smooth Hawley and other, universal tariffs do not work, they may show immediate results while importers adjust, but in the end only cause harm
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I like how the MSM and Left keep predicting economic disaster, doom and gloom. It's sort of like listening to them on Gorebal Warming. "The Earth is doomed, doomed I tell you! It's going to end in fiery destruction if we don't listen to Greta Thunberg and Al Gore!"
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No, no, no, no.

Trump has a proven track record. In his first term he managed to get a beautiful, tall wall built across the entire southern border and got Mexico to pay for it just like he said. And in that term he managed to replace Obamacare with his own plan which got more people protected at a lower cost and gave everyone better coverage.

Why on Earth should we be negative about him?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It's a surplus. It's the opposite of what the MSM and Democrats were predicting. Even if it doesn't continue, the reduction in the deficit is likely to. That is, tariffs are having a positive impact on the economy right now, and not just for one month.
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Only one president in the last four decades has had 4 years of budget surpluses...BILL CLINTON.

Trump will NEVER have a budget surplus in ANY year.
 
LurchAddams said:
Yes, our economy is running on crack now. As soon as the effect of the tariffs hit consumers, incomes, and thus tax revenues will drop and as the deficit grows, we're all hurtling towards disaster.


"Trump and members of his administration tout the positive economic reports as signs that tariffs are working. However, the chorus of concern is growing: Prices are moving higher, and economists say this is just the beginning."

I hope the trump cult enjoys this short-term glory :)
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The MAGAS are cheering that the Tariffs are bringing in billions and are going to bring the debt down , well the tariffs may be, But they don't say a word about the tariffs being mostly passed on to the US consumer , and they are starting to hurt our economy.
The exporting countries , manufactures and retailers MAY pay a percent of them but with the tariffs as high as Trump is putting on they can't pay all of them and will pass a good percentage of them on to the consumer driving up the cost of just about EVERYTHING you buy.
And it has already drove up the cost of an auto, and with Trumps tariffs on copper and rare earth materials everything electronic / electric , wire for motors, for building homes will all be going up. and as I have said I don't put it past anybody in the supply chain adding a percent or two to pad their bottom line and try to put the blame all on the tariffs.
Tariffs are a tax on the CONSUMER , so it is the US consumer paying them and it is them bringing that money into the Government NOT anybody else.
 
archives said:
You are getting it cheaper because you have a coupon plus belong to some entity similar to Costco that gives you another discount, ordinary it sells for $18.42, which is more expense than it was previously (https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant...ity-coffee-shrinkflation-at-costco/118115095/
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I have Prime...That's Amazon...it's not hard to look for bargains, and everyone has sales and incentives...Is the regular price unreasonable to you? Stop making excuses...everyone can learn to budget...
Everyone should always budget...that should be a class in school...At one time, it was...It will be again...;)
 
archives said:
You got to get over this Trump as a martyr routine, the media doesn’t hate Trump, in fact, Trump loves the media, which is the reason he courts it 24/7, it is his schtick. Trump does his best to make sure he is the main focus of the media 24/7, can you recall any past President who is seen so often nearly everyday even when he isn’t doing anything newsworthy?
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Media cover Trump 92% negatively yet have little impact. Here’s why
www.washingtonexaminer.com

Media cover Trump 92% negatively yet have little impact. Here’s why

President Donald Trump has received overwhelmingly negative coverage from the legacy news media. But he's storming ahead with great support.
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(A) study, conducted by Professor Thomas E. Patterson of Harvard’s Kennedy School and the Schorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy found 80% of the media’s coverage of President Trump during the first 100 days of his administration was negative. Not only that, but news about President Trump and his administration consumed fully 41% of all news coverage, three times as much as previous administrations and coverage of presidents. Trump has complained of being targeted by the news media and Patterson wrote, “The sheer level of negative coverage gives weight to Trump’s contention, one shared by his core constituency, that the media are hell bent on destroying his presidency.”

TV Hits Trump With 85% Negative News vs. 78% Positive Press for Harris​

TV Hits Trump With 85% Negative News vs. 78% Positive Press for Harris

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Nearly Seven in Ten Americans Are Now Hearing at Least Some Negative News About President Trump​

Nearly Seven in Ten Americans Are Now Hearing at Least Some Negative News About President Trump

Polling report on perceptions of President Trump, the administration's recent actions, and how Americans would like Democrats in Congress to respond.
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TV news ‘most lopsided’ ever: Trump 85% negative, Harris 78% positive
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TV news ‘most lopsided’ ever: Trump 85% negative, Harris 78% positive - Washington Examiner

The bias is likely not surprising, though the percentages are.
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ABC, NBC and CBS slap Trump with 92% negative coverage as 100th day of second term approaches, study finds​

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ABC, NBC and CBS slap Trump with 92% negative coverage as 100th day of second term approaches, study finds

The Media Research Center analyzed ABC’s "World News Tonight," "NBC Nightly News" and "CBS Evening News" and found largely negative coverage.
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The MSM HATES Trump. That's obvious. They have hated him from the moment he came down the escalator in 2016 to take the election win. He gets lots of coverage--and it's almost entirely negative--because the MSM thinks that bombarding the public with negative messaging will turn them against him. It obviously hasn't worked, and may even be backfiring, but they haven't let up one iota.
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
Bad theory. What I'm saying is the problem detractors of Trump's tariff polices have, for the most part, is that they create uncertainty.
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Dude. You're literally "blaming the victims" here. It's trump's tariff policies, as well as merely his threats to do so that is creating the instability, NOT the victims of his negligent bullshit.

Another way to say what you just said: "If that bitch just didn't complain, I wouldn't be a rapist!". It's LITTERALLY what you just said!
T. A. Gardner said:
Hard core investors hate uncertainty.
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Not just investors. CEOs planning expansions or a launch of new products. Entreprenerus considering branching out. Literally ALL SANE AND REPSONSIBLE PEOPLE depend on more certainty.
T. A. Gardner said:
Sure, venture capitalists don't mind dealing with it, but someone who invests in stocks and such hates uncertainty. That is being expressed and the MSM / news media are taking those statements and republishing them out of context because, like it or not, the vast majority of the MSM / news world HATES Trump with a capital HATES.
Hysteria and angst sells, calm rational story telling doesn't.

No, I wouldn't change my tune other than to assess what the Democrat was imposing on whom. That might make a difference.
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I can't deal with the rest of this - you're just wrong, man.
 
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