Trump tariffs ruled illegal by U.S. court

martin said:
Like all his powers, the President's foreign policy power rests with The Constitution. Why would anyone other than a puppet want the extent of this power determined by the person possessing it and not the courts?
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The courts have ZERO power over US foreign policy. They don't determine it. They don't define it. When the courts start acting as the executive and legislative branches, and today, they are doing so more and more, there is a serious problem. We're becoming a nation run by dictators in black robes. That is a serious problem.
 
Cypress said:
Tariffs are taxes, and a president does not have unlimited authority to raise taxes, nor did Congress delegate him that authority :laugh:
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Actually, when it comes to tariffs that's only partially true, and it is mostly the president not congress that has the authority because congress legislated away that authority to the president.

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Can the President Impose Tariffs without Congressional Approval?

During his 2024 presidential campaign, President-elect Donald Trump promised to impose a variety of new tariffs, even without congressional approval, including a 25%-75% tariff rate on Mexican imports, a 60% tariff rate on Chinese imports, and a broad 10%-20% tariff rate on all imports...
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T. A. Gardner said:
The courts have ZERO power over US foreign policy. They don't determine it. They don't define it. When the courts start acting as the executive and legislative branches, and today, they are doing so more and more, there is a serious problem. We're becoming a nation run by dictators in black robes. That is a serious problem.
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Obviously "The courts have ZERO power over US foreign policy", but Congress does have power granted by The Constitution. One more area in which it's up to the courts to keep us from becoming a nation run by a dictator in a red necktie.
 
Cypress said:

Trump Tariffs Ruled Illegal by Federal Judicial Panel​

The U.S. Court of International Trade said the president had overstepped his authority in imposing his “reciprocal” tariffs globally, as well as levies on Canada and Mexico.

A panel of federal judges on Wednesday blocked President Trump from imposing some of his steepest tariffs on China and other U.S. trading partners, finding that federal law did not grant him “unbounded authority” to tax imports from nearly every country around the world.

The ruling, by the U.S. Court of International Trade, delivered an early yet significant setback to Mr. Trump, undercutting his primary leverage as he looks to pressure other nations into striking trade deals more beneficial to the United States.

Before Mr. Trump took office, no president had sought to invoke the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, a 1977 law, to impose tariffs on other nations. The law, which primarily concerns trade embargoes and sanctions, does not even mention tariffs.

But Mr. Trump adopted a novel interpretation of its powers as he announced, and then suspended, high levies on scores of countries in April. He also used the law to impose tariffs on products from Canada and Mexico in return for what he said was their role in sending fentanyl to the United States.

On Wednesday, the Court of International Trade, the primary federal legal body overseeing such matters, found that Mr. Trump’s tariffs “exceed any authority granted” to the president by the emergency powers law. Ruling in separate cases brought by states and businesses, a bipartisan panel of three judges essentially declared many, but not all, of Mr. Trump’s tariffs to have been issued illegally.

It was not clear precisely when and how the tariff collections would grind to a halt. The ruling gave the executive branch up to 10 days to complete the bureaucratic process of ending them. The Trump administration immediately filed its plans to appeal in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.



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And the courts once declared slavery legal. What the court declares is as meaningless as a demholes opinion.
 
Cypress said:
I'm enjoying seeing all the right-wing posters who spent years claiming they were devout defenders of the Constitution proving they had just been bullshitting us the whole time.
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If a contract is broken by the other side, and you stop following its provisions, that doesn't mean you were dishonest.
 
Cypress said:
Taxation authority rests with Congress, and that is crystal clear.

I'm enjoying seeing all the right-wing posters who spent years claiming they were devout defenders of the Constitution proving they had just been bullshitting us the whole time.
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It's not a tax no matter how much you cry. You people do this all the time. All the lame brain media use the same word over and over. I wonder which of you demholes came up with the a tariff is a "tax" idea. Hilarious
 
Cypress said:

Trump Tariffs Ruled Illegal by Federal Judicial Panel​

The U.S. Court of International Trade said the president had overstepped his authority in imposing his “reciprocal” tariffs globally, as well as levies on Canada and Mexico.

A panel of federal judges on Wednesday blocked President Trump from imposing some of his steepest tariffs on China and other U.S. trading partners, finding that federal law did not grant him “unbounded authority” to tax imports from nearly every country around the world.

The ruling, by the U.S. Court of International Trade, delivered an early yet significant setback to Mr. Trump, undercutting his primary leverage as he looks to pressure other nations into striking trade deals more beneficial to the United States.

Before Mr. Trump took office, no president had sought to invoke the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, a 1977 law, to impose tariffs on other nations. The law, which primarily concerns trade embargoes and sanctions, does not even mention tariffs.

But Mr. Trump adopted a novel interpretation of its powers as he announced, and then suspended, high levies on scores of countries in April. He also used the law to impose tariffs on products from Canada and Mexico in return for what he said was their role in sending fentanyl to the United States.

On Wednesday, the Court of International Trade, the primary federal legal body overseeing such matters, found that Mr. Trump’s tariffs “exceed any authority granted” to the president by the emergency powers law. Ruling in separate cases brought by states and businesses, a bipartisan panel of three judges essentially declared many, but not all, of Mr. Trump’s tariffs to have been issued illegally.

It was not clear precisely when and how the tariff collections would grind to a halt. The ruling gave the executive branch up to 10 days to complete the bureaucratic process of ending them. The Trump administration immediately filed its plans to appeal in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.



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This should be interesting to see if Trump can become Dictator of the United States or will submit to the rule of law.

No doubt his fans want a dictatorship and the shredding of the Constitution...which, of course, makes them enemies of the Constitution.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The courts have ZERO power over US foreign policy. They don't determine it. They don't define it. When the courts start acting as the executive and legislative branches, and today, they are doing so more and more, there is a serious problem. We're becoming a nation run by dictators in black robes. That is a serious problem.
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QED MAGA traitors. Sad.
 
martin said:
Obviously "The courts have ZERO power over US foreign policy", but Congress does have power granted by The Constitution. One more area in which it's up to the courts to keep us from becoming a nation run by a dictator in a red necktie.
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Congress won't act until forced to act. Even then, they are so disunited on everything it would take months to reach a half-assed compromise to fix whatever the problem is. The last thing I want is unelected judges who are also moron lawyers, running anything. The judiciary would become a far worse dictatorship than having an actual dictator, which at the moment we don't have, whether you like it or not.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
And foreign policy and affairs rests with the President, which tariffs in large part, fall under. Tariffs affect foreign nations and foreign companies, not domestic ones.
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Taxation is with Congress. Even the preisdnet has reconized this in his Court arguments. He did not claim he had the power in the Constitution, he claimed Congress gave it to him. Very different.

The Power is Congresses, under limited circumstances they have granted the executive the authority to use their power.
 
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Tobytone said:
Well, isn’t this a surprise? A trio of judges so clueless they don’t realize they’re sabotaging their own relevance with this blatant partisan overreach. Congress breathed life into your precious Court of International Trade, and Congress can just as easily pull the plug.

I haven’t dove into this ruling yet, but I’d wager it’s another politically tainted jab. I know you lemmings devour any anti-Trump headline as divine truth and shrug off anything pro-Trump as fiction. Meanwhile, those of us with a shred of critical thinking prefer to sample various perspectives before forming an opinion. Novel concept, right?

This ruling smells like judicial grandstanding, and I’d bet it’ll be overturned on appeal. It might even prod Congress to clip the court’s wings to stop this chaos and protect America’s right to play hardball on trade. Naturally, you’d recoil at the thought of a level playing field. It’s practically treasonous to root for your own country.

So, bask in your fleeting anti-Trump high, you libtard dope addicted drones. It’s a short-lived buzz, and you’ll soon be scrounging for your next hit of outrage.
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On what basis do you believe it will be overturned? Do you believe the President has was given the power to tax via the Constitution?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The courts have ZERO power over US foreign policy. They don't determine it. They don't define it. When the courts start acting as the executive and legislative branches, and today, they are doing so more and more, there is a serious problem. We're becoming a nation run by dictators in black robes. That is a serious problem.
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If taxing foreign trade is a power, the LEGISLATIVE Branch has it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
And foreign policy and affairs rests with the President, which tariffs in large part, fall under. Tariffs affect foreign nations and foreign companies, not domestic ones.
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The problem is you are wrong.

Tariffs not only do not 'in large part, fal under' Trump (POTUS) or the Executive's office, they do not even in small part.

Congress has GRANTED the Executive a piece of their authority as it entirely falls under Congress and Congress could take it away.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Actually, when it comes to tariffs that's only partially true, and it is mostly the president not congress that has the authority because congress legislated away that authority to the president.

natlawreview.com

Can the President Impose Tariffs without Congressional Approval?

During his 2024 presidential campaign, President-elect Donald Trump promised to impose a variety of new tariffs, even without congressional approval, including a 25%-75% tariff rate on Mexican imports, a 60% tariff rate on Chinese imports, and a broad 10%-20% tariff rate on all imports...
natlawreview.com natlawreview.com
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You are half a step more educated than the general Trumpper on this issue, congratulations.
 
martin said:
Obviously "The courts have ZERO power over US foreign policy", but Congress does have power granted by The Constitution. One more area in which it's up to the courts to keep us from becoming a nation run by a dictator in a red necktie.
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WRONG, 6th Grade should have taught you. Where in the constitution is a President given the power to tax foreign trade?
 
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