Trump. The President that lost Iraq.

Woko Haram said:
Liberals are very partisan about war and nation building. One minute they want you to withdraw, the next minute it's "you're abandoning the Kurds" or "you're giving Iraq to Iran."

If Trump decides to instead increase American troops in Iraq, the next narrative will be "he's defying the wishes of a democratic government" or "he's putting more American lives in danger."

There literally is no action Trump could take that would please them. This is why it's more fun to just watch them scream and squirm.
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True!

Trump declares that he likes air and that air is good!

Left's response:
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Truth Detector said:
WRONG; Saddam lost Iraq when the US enforced the agreements he failed to keep. No one loses when Democracy starts to bloom.
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Democracy never blooms under a foreign invasion. Nationalism is going to trump everything else and they are going to fight as long as their lands are occupied. Iraq did not even have al queda fighters until the U. S. invasion destabilized the region.
 
Flash said:
Democracy never blooms under a foreign invasion.
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It wasn't an invasion sour puss; it was a liberation.

Flash said:
Nationalism is going to trump everything else and they are going to fight as long as their lands are occupied. Iraq did not even have al queda fighters until the U. S. invasion destabilized the region.
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The US fought a massive and destructive civil war 90 years into it's blooming democracy.
 
Truth Detector said:
It wasn't an invasion sour puss; it was a liberation.

The US fought a massive and destructive civil war 90 years into it's blooming democracy.
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It isn't a liberation when one country occupies and controls another country for 20 years.

We are a democracy? A civil war is not the same thing as a foreign invasion and occupation. Nations are almost never successful when they are fighting a war that is a far away, the enemy does not engage in conventional warfare, and the stakes are more important for them than the invading nation.
 
Flash said:
It isn't a liberation when one country occupies and controls another country for 20 years.
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There wasn't ONE country involved in the Iraq liberation. It was at least 36 nations and it was a UN enforcement action. Get some facts before you bloviate snowflake.

Flash said:
We are a democracy?
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Yes we are; look it up. A Democracy based on a Republic of States with a central Government with limited powers. Shocker eh???? :rolleyes:

Flash said:
A civil war is not the same thing as a foreign invasion and occupation.
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I used it was an example of how difficult Democracy is to implement you fool. :rolleyes:

Flash said:
Nations are almost never successful when they are fighting a war that is a far away, the enemy does not engage in conventional warfare, and the stakes are more important for them than the invading nation.
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WTF does this word salad have to do with the topic? We won the war in Iraq and Afghanistan in weeks and months; and with the least cost in lives of any wars we have engaged in.

You need to get out more and read some books.
 
Truth Detector said:
We won the war in Iraq and Afghanistan in weeks and months; and with the least cost in lives of any wars we have engaged in.
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We removed their government from power. We didn't "win" anything when 20 years later the country is worse off than before.

A foreign invasion and occupation is a disaster whether it was carried out by one nation or 36 under UN.

The UN did not support the invasion of Iraq--that was in one of those books you said I needed to read.
 
Flash said:
Democracy never blooms under a foreign invasion. Nationalism is going to trump everything else and they are going to fight as long as their lands are occupied. Iraq did not even have al queda fighters until the U. S. invasion destabilized the region.
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Exactly!
 
FDR lost China. Now democracy freaks want to lose Taiwan.

Taiwan’s election will change the world as much the as Chicoms victory did in 1949:


Taiwan Is About To Have An Election That Will Change The World
By Helen Raleigh
January 10, 2020

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/10/taiwan-is-about-to-have-an-election-that-will-change-the-world/
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It is a little complicated, but siding with democracy freaks is not the solution. Taiwan (Chiang Kai-shek 1887 – 1975) had to give up its seat on the Security Council when China was seated in 1971. That meant that two enemy governments with powerful militaries controlled two seats on the S.C.


1971
October 25
The U.N. seats the People’s Republic of China and expels Taiwan

https://www.history.com/this-day-in...e-peoples-republic-of-china-and-expels-taiwan
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Not much has changed since 1971.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

NOTE: I made a few bucks from Quemoy & Matsu:

The Chicoms used to fire at Formosa every other day. A few of the break/bulk freighters I sailed delivered materials to Formosa. My pay doubled on those days the ship was inside the “war zone”.
 
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Flanders said:
FDR lost China. Now democracy freaks want to lose Taiwan.
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FDR had been dead for several years when the Chinese Civil War happened. FDR had a very close relationship with the Nationalist Chinese. I do not know he could have saved Nationalist China, but he probably would have tried. We will never know, because he was dead, and not losing China.

trump has made a lot of noise about selling Taiwan out to China for some concessions. No Democrat would have done the same.
 
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