Trump to "Void" All Documents signed by Biden's Auto-Pen...

martin said:
More ignorance from the Right. Trump would taking upon himself a power only courts have, assuming he tries it though far all we have is a
gurgle on social media.
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As far as I know you'd have to take each of the documents and show they were signed without direction... and that it would be courts, not Executive Authority that would be able to nullify the things.

But I'm just reporting the news as it was given by MSDNC...
 
Damocles said:
Or, Trump wrote an order that said to pardon everyone who was on trial for a Jan 6 related crime without using their names. Much like Carter pardoned every single draft dodger (should have done, not criticizing). He would not know the names of everyone being pardoned... I get that. I may disagree with something someone does, but I get why he would not know their names.

I think the difference is in who actually ordered the pardons, EOs, etc.

My main question would be, "Who is going to "vet" all these things he plans to void?" We know he talked about some of the pardons he was issuing. He signed the one he gave to his son... So that one wouldn't be voided... And not all of them are pardons.

He, like many others, believes that Dementia Joe wasn't regularly giving orders. Instead they believe he was reading prewritten scripts on teleprompters.
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Read the hyperlink i put under "No Idea" as you are confused as this pardon had nothing to do with Jan6 and there is no such defense for this one of criminal pardoning.

A guy who is tied to facilitating all the most reprehensible types of crimes that magats would usually rage over, anyone having any piece of the chain of facilitating.

so again i point to my two points and ask you again, can you see any other explanation but one of those two?
 
Damocles said:
If the documents are proven to be "signed" without the direction of the President they are void already. He absolutely has the power to reverse EOs though.. and to "void" them, because he has the power to produce his own pile of EOs.
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Which is exactly what Trump admitted to in my post above. Or at best you can say 'due to dementia he does not remember but he did direct at the time'.

Anyway i look forward to your reply on this one is not speculation like what you are speculating over Biden. Trump made this crystal clear.
 
QP! said:
Which is exactly what Trump admitted to in my post above. Or at best you can say 'due to dementia he does not remember but he did direct at the time'.

Anyway i look forward to your reply on this one is not speculation like what you are speculating over Biden. Trump made this crystal clear.
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Trump clearly directed those pardons. Unless you are arguing that Carter's pardons of all the Draft Dodgers are somehow invalid because he didn't know all their names your argument, like most of your arguments, is inane.

The issue Trump and others have is their belief that Biden never directed anything.
 
Damocles said:
Trump clearly directed those pardons. Unless you are arguing that Carter's pardons of all the Draft Dodgers are somehow invalid because he didn't know all their names your argument, like most of your arguments, is inane.

The issue Trump and others have is their belief that Biden never directed anything.
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Are you being purposely obtuse here?

Trump stated as clearly possible, in a way that was like saying to the reporter so she could not mistake it 'READ MY LIPS'.

What Trump said is he has NO CLUE who the Binance guy was he pardoned. This has nothing to do with Jan6th pardons.

So how can you come in here and say Trump is wrong and he clearly directed it, when Trump is saying he has no clue.

Are you saying Trump 'clearly directed it' without knowing who he was?

Or Trump "clearly directed it" and forgot after due to dementia?

Or once again are you so desperate to not admit any thing negative about Trump that you are flailing trying to justify it?
 
QP! said:
Are you being purposely obtuse here?

Trump stated as clearly possible, in a way that was like saying to the reporter so she could not mistake it 'READ MY LIPS'.

What Trump said is he has NO CLUE who the Binance guy was he pardoned. This has nothing to do with Jan6th pardons.

So how can you come in here and say Trump is wrong and he clearly directed it, when Trump is saying he has no clue.

Are you saying Trump 'clearly directed it' without knowing who he was?

Or Trump "clearly directed it" and forgot after due to dementia?

Or once again are you so desperate to not admit any thing negative about Trump that you are flailing trying to justify it?
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Again. Not knowing individuals is exactly what I am saying.

You are cripplingly stupid, and yes, deliberately obtuse at this point. Trump directed pardons for all crimes related to Jan 6, and was open in saying he doesn't know them all. Now. Unless other past pardons that had "no clue" who they pardoned are invalid (I mentioned one of them, Obama did at least one like that too) then your point is just screaming loudly that you don't like Trump and you think the loudest voice wins. Do better, QPee Herman.

I get it, you don't like Trump, but your point is useless like almost every time you speak...
 
Damocles said:
Again. Not knowing individuals is exactly what I am saying.

You are cripplingly stupid, and yes, deliberately obtuse at this point. Trump directed pardons for all crimes related to Jan 6, and was open in saying he doesn't know them all. Now. Unless other past pardons that had "no clue" who they pardoned are invalid (I mentioned one of them, Obama did at least one like that too) then your point is just screaming loudly that you don't like Trump and you think the loudest voice wins. Do better, QPee Herman.

I get it, you don't like Trump, but your point is useless like almost every time you speak...
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AGAIN Damo, this pardon IS NOT about Jan6th so you keep mentioning it shows you are trapped in your own stupidity.

This was a separate pardon.

So follow this logic...

If Trump is one off pardoning people he has NO CLUE who they are even as their crimes and offenses are explained to him by the reporter, then :

A) Others are actually writing and executing the pardons for him, using auto pen
B) he actually did and simply forgot due to dementia

There is no option C and you have not offered up what could be Option C other than conflating this as if one pardon in a pile of other Jan6th pardon.
 
I invite anyone smarter than Damo (not too difficult to be that) to try and offer any explanation either than my A or B above as to how that Binance guy's pardon got signed other than the two options i offer above.

@Damocles is going to try and avoid answering that directly at all costs as he does not want to say anything negative about Trump while he is on a Biden rant.

But what that proves above is Trump is either allowing others to execute pardons with the auto pen, that he is not informed of or he is doing them and forgetting and even when given very specific details 'has no clue or recollection' (dementia).
 
Damocles said:
As far as I know you'd have to take each of the documents and show they were signed without direction...
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Extensive interviews were conducted and many people were deposed.

The bottom line is that had Biden signed the pardons then there would be no issue. Since a device signed the pardons, Biden's authorization must be shown or the documents are forged.

The testimony gathered shows that there was no authorization for anyone to use the autopen. The pardons are forgeries.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump has delusions of grandeur...somewhere along the way he starting buying his own bullshit.....which is always catastrophic.
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I have been saying for that this faction can never win in the end

Sociopaths don’t understand humans

Their brain wiring makes it impossible for them

They ALWAYS make mistakes that invite the people to turn on them

You can’t fight the people

The numbers just don’t work

You have to have them with you or your dreams of wealth and power can’t ever be created

It crumbles when you have to FIGHT the people to keep them in line


He thought he could control the military

The rank and file don’t want to murder half their family to please the king

Sociopaths thinks they can get them to do that

They can never win

They can only make it work for a short time

People now live too long for them to pull it off for as long as they used to pull it off in history


Longer lives

Information readily available

And VOTING

IT ENDS SOCIOPATHIC ABILITY to wrap the people up with poverty and short lives while they keep them ignorant

It’s the only way to CONTROL a larger group of people and keep them in constant fear and near starvation


That is what these sociopathic assholes are trying to return to

They cant

Their day is over
 
IBDaMann said:
Extensive interviews were conducted and many people were deposed.

The bottom line is that had Biden signed the pardons then there would be no issue. Since a device signed the pardons, Biden's authorization must be shown or the documents are forged.

The testimony gathered shows that there was no authorization for anyone to use the autopen. The pardons are forgeries.
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It’s bullshit

You have no proof
 
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