Trump: U.S. military won’t allow transgender people ‘to serve in any capacity’

Weird that Trump a draft dodger

This is a flat out lie; but Clinton avoided the draft and you lying leftTards had ZERO issues with that.

and adulterer

I thought lying leftists loved adulterers and it was between two adults? Lying hypocrite leftTards didn't seem to have any problems with BillyBob Clinton's sexual predatory behavior on interns in the White House.

who cheats on taxes,

No facts here; just a lying leftTard bloviating.

his wives,

See above.

and his country is a shining star for the so called religious ?

No facts here; just a lying leftTard bloviating.

Proves only how shallow and empty of empathy and Christian compassion the American conservative is. Sad humans who live their lives hating the other because they are different.

I am amused when shallow, ignorant and intolerant storm troopers on the left complain about compassion.

"The policy would affect only a small portion of the approximately 1.3 million active-duty members of the military. Some 2,000 to 11,000 active-duty troops are transgender, according to a 2016 RAND Corporation study commissioned by the Pentagon, though estimates of the number of transgender service members have varied widely, and are sometimes as high as 15,000.

The study found that allowing transgender people to serve openly in the military would “have minimal impact on readiness and health care costs” for the Pentagon. It estimated that health care costs would rise $2.4 million to $8.4 million a year, representing an infinitesimal 0.04 to 0.13 percent increase in spending. Citing research into other countries that allow transgender people to serve, the study projected “little or no impact on unit cohesion, operational effectiveness or readiness” in the United States.

Lt. Commander Blake Dremann, a Navy supply corps officer who is transgender, said he found out his job was in danger when he turned on CNN on Wednesday morning. Commander Dremann came out as transgender to his commanders in 2015, and said they had been supportive of him.

He refused to criticize Mr. Trump — “we don’t criticize our commander in chief,” he said — but said the policy shift “is singling out a specific population in the military, who had been assured we were doing everything appropriate to continue our honorable service.”

He added: “And I will continue to do so, until the military tells me to hang up my boots.”" https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/politics/trump-transgender-military.html

Dear idiot; if it is such a small microcosm of the military, why do you lying leftists act like it is as big as Hiroshima? Dunce.
 
I don't understand transgenders. I've seen a few around SF and think WTF? But if they can pass the require military test and are willing to fight so I don't have to they have my respect and gratitude just like all the others that serve.

They are, as a matter of definition, mentally unstable. Do you want one of those watching your back?
 
Trump has Fired 197 US Senior Military Commanders!

What the president calls "my military" is being cleansed of any officer suspected of disloyalty to or disagreement with the administration

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/197-military-officers-purged-by-obama/


Retired generals and current senior commanders that have spoken with TheBlaze say the administration is not only purging the military of commanders they don’t agree with, but is striking fear in the hearts of those still serving.

The timing comes as the five branches of the U.S. armed forces are reducing staff due to budget cuts, and as U.S. troops are expected to withdraw from Afghanistan next year.

“I think they’re using the opportunity of the shrinkage of the military to get rid of people that don’t agree with them or not tow the party line.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/10/23/military-sources-obama-administration-purging-commanders/


List Of Military Elite Purged
And Fired Under Trump

Here is the list of our military elite who have been purged or fired

http://www.rense.com/general96/listof.html

Draining the swamp, as promised!
 
Nowhere near as idiotic as believe someone can become the only other possible gender because they believe they are. I thought you lefties believed in science. Why do you deny biology?

Yup. They're always the ones singing the praises of science...hypocrites. Guess they only do when it suits them.
 
Oops. Someone call the waaambulance for trump.

"The nation’s senior military officer said Thursday that there will be “no modifications” to Pentagon policies for now despite President Trump social media posts declaring a ban on transgender troops in uniform.

Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wrote in a memo to commanders and senior enlisted leaders of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines that the military will continue to "treat all of our personnel with respect."

Dunford said Pentagon policy on transgender troops would not change until the White House has issued Trump’s directive to Secretary of Defense James Mattis through formal channels — not on Twitter — and the secretary’s office issues guidance on implementation to the service chiefs. It’s unclear when that might happen.

The unusual memo appeared intended to calm widespread confusion and concern at the Pentagon, which was blindsided when Trump wrote Wednesday that Pentagon would not “accept or allow” transgender troops to serve “in any capacity.”

http://www.latimes.com/politics/was...ls-military-leaders-1501171360-htmlstory.html
 
They are already fighting on the front lines now. If you're out there taking bullets so I don't have to I respect and appreciate that even if they are f'd up mentally. If you can do the job I don't care what you think you are sexually or what religion you are.

I understand your point. What I would say though is this. Sexuality and religion are merely the specific compartments of their participation that you are using. It doesn't address the problem which as you say is, "they are f'd up mentally."
You say, "If you can do the job I don't care what you think you are sexually or what religion you are."
OK, let's try others examples of possible inappropriate positions for folks with mental/behavioral/religious issues.
Pedophiles for priests, babysitters or teachers?
Satanists for Christian Sunday school teachers?
Kleptomaniacs for bank or department store security jobs?
Claustrophobics for submarine duty or elevator operators?
Acrophobics for flight attendants?

For the last 30 or 40 years we've been conditioned to believe that absolutely anybody may do absolutely anything they want to do. And, when logic says 'no', people scream that it's somehow hatred. Common sense is at a premium it seems.
 
This whole discussion shows the need to bring back the draft. Mandatory military service for two years minimum for everyone. No exceptions for anything other than a debilitating physical or mental handicap. That is fair, that is treating everyone equal. People tend to learn to get along with people they think are different than themselves quite quickly when they actually have to rely on them for their lives. Literally.
 
if they are serving now then why change it?

Indeed. Why change anything? Ever. Never right any wrongs. No more voting. Never change politicians. Maybe we never should have had amendments to the U.S. Constitution. Never change. Let's just all exist.
 
Indeed. Why change anything? Ever. Never right any wrongs. No more voting. Never change politicians. Maybe we never should have had amendments to the U.S. Constitution. Never change. Let's just all exist.

It's more a if it ain't broke don't fix it scenario. I can't claim to have paid much attention but other than Chelsea Manning have there been issues?
 
We have to ask, "Is it all worth the distraction from the essential purpose of our military?" The need is to eliminate, not add to distractions. Not saying that perfection is being sought here. That's impossible. But, striving for best and most cohesive atmosphere for these men and women is a worthy goal I think.

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5 Good Reasons Why Transgender Accommodations Aren’t Compatible With Military Realities...


Key Takeaways

1 The mission of our armed forces is winning wars and protecting the nation. We must prioritize military readiness and mission-critical purposes first.

2 Placing individuals who might be at increased risk for suicide or other psychological injury in the most stressful situation imaginable—the battlefield—is reckless.

3 There are multiple practical concerns for the military when it comes to people who identify as transgender.

On Wednesday, President Donald Trump announced that he was reversing an Obama-era policy that opened the military to people who identify as transgender.

That policy, announced during the last year of President Barack Obama’s second term, was scheduled to go into effect earlier this month, but Secretary of Defense James Mattis announced a six-month delay in its implementation to review whether it was in fact prudent given the nature of the military and its mission.

The mission of our armed forces is winning wars and protecting the nation. So any personnel policy must prioritize military readiness and mission-critical purposes first.

Trump’s announcement that it would not be feasible to open the military to personnel who identify as transgender returns the military to the policy it had always observed, before the Obama administration’s 12th-hour, politically driven imposition of a transgender agenda.

As I explain in my forthcoming book “When Harry Became Sally: Responding to the Transgender Moment,” the best biology, psychology, and philosophy conclude that sex is a biological reality and that gender is the social expression of that reality.

The most helpful therapies for gender dysphoria focus not on achieving the impossible—changing bodies to conform to thoughts and feelings—but on helping people accept and even embrace the truth about their bodies and reality.

Unfortunately, 41 percent of people who identify as transgender will attempt suicide at some point in their lives, compared to 4.6 percent of the general population. And people who have had transition surgery are 19 times more likely than average to die by suicide.

People who identify as transgender suffer a host of mental health and social problems—including anxiety, depression, and substance abuse—at higher rates than the general population. Biology isn’t bigotry, and we need a sober and honest assessment of the human costs of getting human nature wrong.

So there were well-justified concerns that Obama was using the military to advance the latest social justice culture warrior agenda item—seeking to mainstream transgender identities and promote controversial therapies for gender dysphoria.

Obama’s policy change ignored the reality that placing individuals who might be at increased risk for suicide or other psychological injury in the most stressful situation imaginable—the battlefield—is reckless.

But even people who disagree about the underlying transgender issues should acknowledge that there are practical concerns for the military when it comes to people who identify as transgender.

Wednesday’s announcement reflects good reasons why transgender accommodations are incompatible with military realities. Here are just a few of the considerations:

1. That the privacy of service members must not be infringed.

This means that no soldiers, including those who identify as transgender, should be allowed to use the sex-specific facility of the opposite sex. When it comes to barracks, bathroom, showers, etc., the privacy of all service members must be respected.

Given the nature of military living quarters, it is unclear where soldiers who identify as transgender could be housed.

2. That all service members remain combat-ready at all times.

But soldiers who have “transitioned” medically require regular hormone treatments and follow-up visits after sex-reassignment surgery. It is unclear how someone who has “transitioned” would be deployable.

3. That all service members be held to the same physical fitness standards, and that these standards by based on the reality of biological sex, not the subjective “gender identity.”

Men who identify as women should not be held to a lower standard than other men—they should be held to the standard for someone with their body that the military has determined is most effective for combat.

4. That scarce taxpayer monies not be expended on costly and controversial sex-reassignment therapies.

This is particularly the case as growing foreign threats are stretching our military’s resources, and as we struggle as a nation to provide basic health care to all. But it is unclear how soldiers who identify as transgender would pay for their treatments apart from including coverage in Tricare, the military health care program.

5. That the medical judgment, conscience rights, and religious liberty of military doctors, chaplains, commanding officers, and fellow service members be respected.

Unless and until military leaders are able to find a way to respect all of these provisions, there will remain good reasons why the military will be unable to accommodate people who identify as transgender.



http://www.heritage.org/civil-socie...nder-accommodations-arent-compatible-military
 
This whole discussion shows the need to bring back the draft. Mandatory military service for two years minimum for everyone. No exceptions for anything other than a debilitating physical or mental handicap. That is fair, that is treating everyone equal. People tend to learn to get along with people they think are different than themselves quite quickly when they actually have to rely on them for their lives. Literally.
What did the draft do for the likes of trump/Cheney and a host of other chickenhawks?
 
They are already fighting on the front lines now. If you're out there taking bullets so I don't have to I respect and appreciate that even if they are f'd up mentally. If you can do the job I don't care what you think you are sexually or what religion you are.

In Post #144 you said as long as they can pass the military test. Isn't mental capacity part of that?

You contradict yourself. You say they're fucked up mentally yet you want them around weapons that can kill lots of people quickly. We saw what that did at Ft. Hood. Do you want more of that?

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=e2c068294316cb8042c6ec11368f48a4&oe=5A373170
 
In Post #144 you said as long as they can pass the military test. Isn't mental capacity part of that?

You contradict yourself. You say they're fucked up mentally yet you want them around weapons that can kill lots of people quickly. We saw what that did at Ft. Hood. Do you want more of that?

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=e2c068294316cb8042c6ec11368f48a4&oe=5A373170

If people pass the test and are willing to fight I support them. They fight so I don't have to. I don't care who it is.
 
If people pass the test and are willing to fight I support them. They fight so I don't have to. I don't care who it is.

So you don't care if they're fucked up mentally?

I don't know whether or not you looked at the link I provided. If so, do you believe private citizens with mental issues should be able to own the same types of firearms the mentally ill transgenders will have access to in the military?
 
Or Clinton. Who cares? This is about the here and now. No exemptions for anyone other than what I stated earlier.

So much for transgenders serving if you allow mental illness as an exemption. See how quickly those that say it isn't a mental illness "rethink" their stance.
 
Or Clinton. Who cares? This is about the here and now. No exemptions for anyone other than what I stated earlier.


dear fucking idiot,


democratic partymemebers have been anti war for a long time


your shits are always chickenhawks


fuck you very much
 
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