Toddlers can drink in your state?
And I don't use Google. Much of this can be found by going to the correct government agency and searching there.
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And I don't use Google. Much of this can be found by going to the correct government agency and searching there.
Tbird19482
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And with all the law suits people / " Ex federal employees", are bringing against Trump and President Musk maybe the billions Musk is saying he is finding in waste and fraud will cover all of them It might be close.
Not sure there are a lot of law suits against them.
Tobytone
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I don’t know what you're smoking, but I’ve handed you the numbers and sources, never claiming they’re all cozy in one spot like you seem to think. That chart you're so proud of is as useless as your babble. I figured I'd track it down to shut you up.Pointing out that you have no BLS data like you claimed is hardly whining. Accusing me of whining because you can't provide the BLS data that you claimed to have would be the actions of a toddler. You continue to make claims without providing any evidence. More actions of a child.
BLS does track plants like that as evidenced by the numbers on the chart that I posted that came from BLS. Care to provide a link to what you claims is on the Census website? I'll give you a hint. Census doesn't track any companies based on less than 50 employees, The category is 20-99. It's kind of hard for 400,000 manufacturing firms to vanish since there were never 400,000 firms to begin with. Sure, there is turn over as one man shops shut down and reopen but there are not near enough of those for 400,000 to have done that in the last 4 years. Then the most recent data available for businesses by the Census bureau was conducted in 2021 with data released in 2023. At this point, you are just making shit up like a toddler because the data clearly doesn't exist.
It seems you are the one that is a victim of your ignorance as you claimed that Census shows 400,000 manufacturing plants closing since 2020 and yet Census data only goes to 2021 and shows no such thing.
All you have is beliefs since you certainly don't have links to any data that you claim that you are using which doesn't appear to exist as you claim. It seems your head is the one up someone's ass since you can't even do basic research or support for your idiotic claims that all facts from Census and BLS show to be made up by you and don't exist in the real world.
My guess is you don't spend much time in small towns if you think they are filled with empty factories. I have relied on small manufacturing facilities in suburban towns for decades and it would seem you don't know what they do. Some of them have closed over the years for various reasons but in most cases it had to do with poor management.
I am still waiting for your evidence from BLS or Census that shows that hundreds of thousands of manufacturing facilities closed after 2020. You may be confused and not know the difference between a restaurant and a manufacturing facility because a lot of restaurants closed.
Provide your evidence from the Census Bureau or continue to be accused of making up your "facts" because they are made up and not true in the real world.
Your precious chart is actually from the U.S. Census Bureau’s Statistics of U.S. Businesses, series ID ENUUS0002053133, tracking private NAICS 31-33 Manufacturing establishments, all sizes, U.S. total, non-seasonally adjusted, updated to 2021 on census.gov. You likely snagged it from FRED, but it’s Census, not BLS, BLS doesn’t track “establishments” like this. Does it? Your cherry-picked graph screams desperation, or maybe just pathetic Google fumbling, probably both.
Also, you like every other drone, always, hallucinate claims I never made, in every one of your responses you have whined that I didn't provide you all the evidence on a platter. The truth is I did give you all the facts and where I got them, you only needed to do a tiny bit of work, something very difficult for a drone. lol
I get a kick out of watching libtards squirm as you always cry about a link, I can't help it, I'm cracking up now just thinking about it. However, I did back up my claims and every single one of them is true.
One little example of your lies or 'misunderstandings,' you keep saying I said the Census shows 400,000 lost manufacturing jobs, show me where I said that, dipshit. AGAIN, I gave you the roadmap, economic reports, Census data on 300,000+ small firms, BLS jobs lost to Biden’s 1,500+ regs and 20% higher energy costs. If you look it up, you'll find that it totals 400,000 jobs, do your homework if you want to learn something.
Oh, your links are trash, proving zilch, and no link to your precious chart, big surprise, again, it doesn’t cover 2020-2024, the key years. Pay attention to dates and criteria, do some math, I did.
On top of all of that, sadly, you’re hopeless, blind to the ghost towns, empty factories, and storefronts gutted by libtard policies, no charts or math needed to see the suffering and hardships left-wing policies inflicted on the poor and middle class.
Only politicians and the elite thrive under libtard rule, Democrats, the real party of corruption, fattening the rich while crushing the middle and poor, per every failed policy. I know this because I witnessed it, I live in the real world. Then and now, every business owner I know is very aware of the disasters I've informed you of and every single one of them is thrilled that we are doing a 180. I'm not talking about a couple, I mean hundreds.
You're the minority and it's shrinking every day, proven by Trump’s landslide. I often forget that you're all glued to MSNBC, The View, and NYT, too fragile for real thoughts and completely unaware of the real world.
So, keep clutching your useless chart. LOL, I’ve got other libtards to school, you’re whining about me not doing everything for you is boring me stiff. Kudos for writing more than a one-liner, but your fact-meter’s in the sewer, not that it matters to any drones.
Tobytone
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Well, I've got a fake ID and you can pretend you didn't grab every bit off your outdated bullshit from Google if you want, I really don't care. I've made my final attempt to drive the truth into your thick skull, but I'm not hopeful.
I was just talking to a libtard like you except he had an 'excuse' for being so dumb, he was getting drunk, maybe that's your problem. Are you polishing off a fifth of libtard intelligence, about 90 proof, that's my best guess.
Let's see if you provide an actual source.
LOL. I see you can't provide your source but can only make specious claims. The last numbers on Census are from 2021. And if you want to rely on Census numbers then there are not even 300,000 manufacturing entities in the US. (Census does some of the research for BLS. BLS publishes the numbers and the first chart on manufacturing firms is from the BLS website.)
I see you can't provide your source but can only name call like a toddler.
You have provided no links so clearly you can't provide your source but can only name call like a toddler.
This is what you said - "Census data shows 400,000 small manufacturing firms, under 50 employees, vanished since 2020"
There are not even 400,000 small manufacturing firms in the US Census data on small manufacturing firms so since there have never been 300,000 small manufacturing firms there is no way that 400,000 could have been lost.
You have provided no links to anything on the Census website to support your specious claim. Instead you just act like a toddler and name call.
It doesn't cover 2022-2024 because Census only released the data for 2021 in late 2023 and has not released any date for any year since 2022.
It is your claims that is trash since you have provided no link to Census data from 2022-2024 but have only acted like a toddler and called me names.
Once again. You have not provide any link to support your claim but you have only acted like a toddler.
No links but just childish name calling.
Again, you didn't provide any links but you do a great toddler act.
The useless chart are the latest numbers from Census. It seems you don't know what a manufacturing firm is. The Stastics of US Business, tables are here. https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/susb/data/tables.html. The last numbers available are from 2021.
In 2020 there were 283,524 manufacturing entities in the US. (Restaurants are not manufacturing firms. Retail are not manufacturing. Manufacturing is only NAICS 31-33.)
In 2021 there were 283,015 manufacturing entities in the US.
Still waiting for you to provide any link to a source that shows that 400,000 manufacturing firms have closed since 2020. It seems you can only act like a toddler and not like an adult that would provide support for their claim.
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I see you can't provide any sources to support your claims so now you are just going to pull your usual toddler routine and name call and shit all over yourself.
The numbers for manufacturing can be found here on the BLS website.
Simply search the page for "establishments" which will eventually get you to this.
This is the result of the business census that is conducted by BLS and is not conducted by the Census Bureau. It is a quarterly census, that I have had to fill out before when it is requested by BLS. Each business needs to classify their business using the NAICS classification as well as list number of employees, hiring or firing in the last quarter, average wages, business income and other items.
At this point, you have been shown to be delusional and nothing but a toddler. Your claims are so false that they are laughable. Your desire to pretend you won shows you are nothing but a toddler. The simple fact is this claim by you is false and would be impossible to have occurred.
No support for your claim that 400,000 factories shuttered.
BLS does track plants as my links have shown. Still waiting for you to provide any support of 100,000 manufacturing firms closing, let alone 400,000.
It seems you are nothing but a childish blowhard that makes idiotic statements and then when called on them you act like a toddler and simply call everyone names.
Tobytone
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Oh bless your little heart, this argument’s turned into a full-on ultramarathon of delusion. I’ve lost track of the steaming pile of nonsense you just dumped in response, but I’d bet my last dollar it’s the same recycled shit you’ve been parroting like a broken record.I see you can't provide any sources to support your claims so now you are just going to pull your usual toddler routine and name call and shit all over yourself.
The numbers for manufacturing can be found here on the BLS website.
Simply search the page for "establishments" which will eventually get you to this.
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This is the result of the business census that is conducted by BLS and is not conducted by the Census Bureau. It is a quarterly census, that I have had to fill out before when it is requested by BLS. Each business needs to classify their business using the NAICS classification as well as list number of employees, hiring or firing in the last quarter, average wages, business income and other items.
At this point, you have been shown to be delusional and nothing but a toddler. Your claims are so false that they are laughable. Your desire to pretend you won shows you are nothing but a toddler. The simple fact is this claim by you is false and would be impossible to have occurred.
No support for your claim that 400,000 factories shuttered.
BLS does track plants as my links have shown. Still waiting for you to provide any support of 100,000 manufacturing firms closing, let alone 400,000.
It seems you are nothing but a childish blowhard that makes idiotic statements and then when called on them you act like a toddler and simply call everyone names.
I’ve spoon-fed you the facts, the sources, the whole damn truth buffet, and you still trip over your own shoelaces trying to find Google. Pathetic.
Maybe out of pity I should let you clutch an imaginary victory trophy. I get it, you libtards need that warm fuzzy feeling to cope with reality. Maybe scream “I’ve got the chart” into the void while the rest of us watch you flail like a clown at a funeral.
Honestly, it’s hilarious how you think babbling about the era of skyrocketing gas and grocery bills, makes you look anything but unhinged. Keep living in that fantasy land where Obama’s smirk and Joe’s naps somehow turned water into wine. Delusional doesn’t even cover it. You’re so far gone you’d call a dumpster fire a five-star resort if MSNBC told you so, that's the truth.
Meanwhile we the people are over here basking in a glorious day. Sun’s shining, Trump’s out there making America great again, probably signing MAGA hats with one hand and deporting some gang bangers with the other, Cash Patel is rounding up some of the fleeing cockroaches, and I’ve got a sizzling steak on the grill that’s worth more than your entire argument.
Hope all that furious typing at least burned a calorie or two for you. Mental gymnastics count as exercise, right? Enjoy your day champ. I’ll be around, winning at life while you’re still busy losing the plot.
Oh, I probably should tell you, this is a response to both of your manifestos. ROFL
Still waiting for your link showing that 400,000 manufacturing firms have shut down in the last 4 years that you claimed exists but you have yet to provide.
At this point, it appears you have abandoned even trying to defend your nonsense and have instead gone full on toddler.
The problem is that being the toddler you are, you think you are successful just because you didn't puke all over your bib in the last 10 minutes.
Tobytone
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Keep waiting, in the meantime, maybe you could look up how to look things up. LOL Dumbass
Still no link to back up your specious claim. I'm not surprised.
Maybe you could give us all a lesson on how to look up things that don't exist like your claim that 400,000 manufacturing firms have closed in the last 4 years.
And the toddler screams and throws a tantrum like always.
Tobytone
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It's called laughing not screaming silly, you are the one still crying about a link, I'm not surprised you can't find anything by yourself, Phone a friend if you need to, I don't care how you do it, you can ask anyone or any AI.
I think I'd rather hit you in your chart, so to speak, lol, just for kicks. I won’t toss you the shiny data you’re drooling for wrapped up with a bow, I've already given you a map for that, but I’ll play a fun game to expose just how much of a chart-worshipping libtard drone you are, blindly swooning over graphs without bothering to scratch beneath the surface. Most of us figured out that little reality ages ago.
Your hard evidence in the form of a chart happens to be a perfect springboard to school you on how you’re being hoodwinked if you think Obama was anything but a disaster for working-class famiies.
First off, that chart you adore. It squeaks out a measly .7 percent annual growth in manufacturing under Obama. No extra chart needed, just simple math from your precious graph. Respectable, no, stagnant doesn't even cover it when you realize it's downright laughable if you factor in the jaw-dropping reality, our grandkids’ grandkids got fleeced to the tune of over 800 billion through the glorious ARRA (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act) to conjure up most of those jobs.
Take infrastructure, a tiny slice of ARRA’s epic money grab paid for by those sweet, innocent kids. Obama “created” about 400,000 (half of all created over 8 years) so-called “manufacturing” jobs with a cool 48 billion in transportation cash from the magnificent ARRA. That’s a whopping 120,000 per job, brilliant deal for positions that flickered like a dying lightbulb, most of them temporary and gone faster than the dollars they burned through.
Why so temporary, you ask? Because the funds bankrolled projects with start and end dates, often lasting a measly few months or, at best, a couple of years. Classic example of how a chart can dazzle with deceit while technically staying true, hardly the “manufacturing” jobs you’d brag about. But who cares when you’ve got a pretty graph.
There’s still over 700 billion more of ARRA’s loot to dissect to prove Obama bought his jobs, and they mostly evaporated with the cash. Oh, and I’ve got to show how Trump whipped up over 400,000 jobs in less than three years, real, private-sector-driven, long-lasting factory jobs that didn’t cost taxpayers a dime, stuck around, and kept families fed for years.
Well, actually, I just did. Everything I’ve laid out is factual, except for my hypothetical scenario, purely for fun and to shield the real names and outfits behind the story. LOL No charts for you, just the cold, hard truth.
Still waiting for you to provide any support for your claim. Instead you pull your usual toddler shit.
Actually, I have looked at the data. It comes on a spreadsheet that you have to download. So where is your version of the data? It certainly isn't located at BLS or Census like you claimed. Maybe it's time for you to stop acting like a toddler and actually provide support for your claim.
My evidence isn't just a chart. It is the data that has been collected by BLS and Census. So when are you going to actually try to school me by providing your evidence? Ipse Dixit statements only make you look like a toddler or a fool.
Still waiting for you to give us a link to your data, toddler. .7 percent annual growth would be pretty strong evidence that over 100% of the manufacturing firms didn't close as you claimed.
Still waiting for the toddler to own up to his errors or provide support for his claim that 400,000 manufacturing firms have closed in the last 3 years.
You claim your 400,000 manufacturing firms closed under Biden is factual but you can't provide any support for it. Why not? Is your claim not factual? Cold hard truth would be actual facts and links to evidence at BLS or Census where you claimed you got your numbers not just toddler rants.
Your inability to provide support for any of your claims calls into question the veracity of all your claims. Are you delusional or do you know you are lying about the numbers?
This makes me think that you are so delusional you don't know the difference between a manufacturing firm and a manufacturing job.
Tobytone
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Does it. LOL
Sorry I've been busy contemplating what will outrage you morons more tomorrow. I just watched a bunch of Dan Bongino video's, I haven't got to your latest collection of delusional bloviating yet. I'll admit I'm a bit pre-occupied right now.
Hey, while I got you, I'm doing a kind of informal poll. What will you be most outraged about tomorrow? Bongino, Patel, Musk, Trump, Tommy Boy, HSA Babe, or I suppose I'll add lies about Obama's failed policies. LOL Seriously, which one of those gets you triggered the most or I'll be nice, 'genuinely concerned?' Be honest for once.
BartenderElite
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You bummed that Democrats always have a better economy than Republicans?
Obama inherited a mess. Conservatives tripped over themselves predicting that his stimulus would lead to a Depression - and instead, we had the longest peacetime recovery in modern history.
People get nostalgic about the Obama economy now. I wish Republicans weren't so bad when it comes to the economy, but it is what it is.
Diesel
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That's the one who claims she used to be an educator. The one advocating personnel reductions. Evil fucking fraud.
Diesel
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@Tobytone came stumbling into this forum like an open minded, curious, reasonable person. For about 4 days. Then he revealed the disgusting monster that he actually is. I've had him on Ignore ever since then. The mental midget is a complete waste of anyone's time. He's a hateful moron who doesn't know his elbow from a star in the sky. Stone cold brain dead.Good for you.
No, it doesn't. You're still a lying shitbag.
That was the brand of surfboard I rode when I was a teenager growing up in Cocoa Beach, Fl.
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What you think of it means less than shit to me, TobyTURD.
