T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
That doesn't identify what an unlawful order actually reads as.
Trump Warns U.S. Military ‘May Very Well’ Go into Nigeria ‘Guns-a-Blazing’ over Killing of Christians
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Jake Starkey
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Strawman.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
translation: another willfully ignorant, lying MAGA mook bluffs again. Here's just ONE excerpt from one of the links that synopsis the explanations:
The legal standard is clear: service members must obey lawful orders but are obligated to disobey unlawful orders - those that clearly violate the U.S. Constitution, international human rights standards, or the Geneva Conventions.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
A strawman fallacy occurs when someone misrepresents or oversimplifies another person's argument to make it easier to attack or refute.
So, how is me asking you for several concrete, clearly defined, examples a "strawman?" What have I misrepresented or oversimplified?
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Another round of vague, undefined, nonsense from you.
If a superior officer were to order that you bring all the persons in village A in a foreign country to the town square and then for you to commence a house by house, building by building search for weapons and contraband, would that be an unlawful order?
Jake Starkey
Verified User
Taichiliberal did not create a fallacy.
He defined for T. A. Gardiner that a service member is obligated to refuse an unlawful order. That is neither an oversimplification or a misrepresentation of the UCMJ.
One can ask for examples but not having them in no way is a fallacy or a strawman.
Jake Starkey
Verified User
Your second paragraph does not outline an unlawful order. If that order was given pursuant to the intent of shooting the village members in the town square, then it forms part of the basis for a charge of unlawful order.
What you really want to know is whether the President has the lawful authority to invade Nigeria, not together villagers in the town square.
Do you think such an order to invade Nigeria in this case, because of the religious war there, is lawful, T. A.?
Kim Iversen
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Why are we threatening war with Nigeria? Here’s why: Nigeria was the single largest recipient of Chinese construction financing in the first half of 2025, with $21 billion in construction deals, making it a focal point for China’s Belt and Road Initiative. In addition, in late October 2025, Nigeria and China signed a major $3.5 billion investment partnership. This agreement focuses on boosting Nigeria’s infrastructure, energy, and manufacturing sectors, including the construction of new solar power plants, modernization of rail lines connecting major cities and expansion of industrial parks. The partnership is seen as a transformative move for Nigeria’s economic strategy. ….But if the country is in ruin because of war in the name of “saving Christians” China can’t expand their belt and road. That’s the REAL reason we’re threatening Nigeria.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
He failed to answer my question and request for actual examples. That isn't a "strawman" as he stated, it was a question. A strawman argument cannot be a question.
Jake Starkey
Verified User
Sure it can if it is a guise.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
And now that China's facing a financial crisis at home, they are demanding that countries like Nigeria pay up in full.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
International law forbids arbitrary detention of civilians
You see, the law has become so convoluted and polluted with minutia that almost everything about war is illegal when, as I pointed out many times, the only real war crime is losing.
He does. He must inform Congress of his actions and then Congress can act to declare war or ask the President to end operations.
Yes.
Jake Starkey
Verified User
Thank you for agreeing that he has no right to declare war but must let Congress decide.
No......the Imperial Empire is constantly warring and causing chaos.....The Chinese are running around the world building things that help others.
"We have a better idea"
The Han
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
That has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
You had a case?
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Okay, either you're purposely being dense or you are truly this fucking stupid.
Look up "unlawful search and seizure", you proud dimwit!
And while you're trying to ignore that in your research that disproves your maga BS, here's something else for you to try and ignore or blow smoke about. For clarification of each paragraph, click on the underlined sentences:
www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/trump_is_making_america_constitutionally_literateby_violating_the_constitution
IBDaMann
Well-known member
I am tempted to respond with "confiscate all firearms" ... but socialists are first and foremost about grabbing power (and never losing it) so the first step in socialism is typically to kill the communists, the socialists' mortal enemies.
The full elimination of government, military, police, currency ... you know, become identical to extreme libertarians.
Mamdani is a stated socialist, but he is a communist in the full sense of the Communist Manifesto's pursuit of the Utopian State that provides everyone everything they need to thrive ... for FREE.
Grammatically talk you clearly.