Trumps Personality, a response to thing1

Trump was talking about regime change.

Don't you think we've seen enough of that?
I know what he was talking about, but how do you topple ISIS without intervening?

in·ter·ven·tion·ist
ˌin(t)ərˈven(t)SH(ə)nəst/
adjective

  • 1.
    favoring intervention, especially by a government in its domestic economy or by one country in the affairs of another.




noun

  • 1.
    a person who favors government intervention.








Our taking ISIS out would involve our intervening in the affairs of another country, so how will he accomplish his goal of defeating ISIS without intervention?
 
I know what he was talking about, but how do you topple ISIS without intervening?

in·ter·ven·tion·ist
ˌin(t)ərˈven(t)SH(ə)nəst/
adjective

  • 1.
    favoring intervention, especially by a government in its domestic economy or by one country in the affairs of another.




noun

  • 1.
    a person who favors government intervention.








Our taking ISIS out would involve our intervening in the affairs of another country, so how will he accomplish his goal of defeating ISIS without intervention?
1) Isis is not a country
2) does intervention preclude cooperation?.....if the US, working cooperatively with Iraq, Turkey and Syria obliterates ISIS is it "intervention"
 
1) Isis is not a country
2) does intervention preclude cooperation?.....if the US, working cooperatively with Iraq, Turkey and Syria obliterates ISIS is it "intervention"
the cooperation is with those states - yes. so we are not "intervening" into another countries affairs.
 
60 million people are proles. There is no reason to like Trump in a manner which appeals to one's better nature. Someone doesn't become a Trumptard because they are well-educated or highly moral.

Tell that to the college educated women who carried the day for Trump. They came out at a 4% greater clip than in the last election. It was these educated women and men that actually put Trump over the top in the Electoral College state by state voter turnout.
 
Tell that to the college educated women who carried the day for Trump. They came out at a 4% greater clip than in the last election. It was these educated women and men that actually put Trump over the top in the Electoral College state by state voter turnout.

I notice you ignored "highly moral."
 
I notice you ignored "highly moral."

So...there are no moral college grads? And you wonder why Trump got elected...snowflake? There were 60 million immoral deporables that voted for Trump. LAMO Trump never won.....the demwits lost. Trump was just the messenger for change...the only messenger who ran on a platform for change. The people where simply tired of pussy politicians and snowflakes running the nation. Anyone with a set of nads could have ran in Trumps place and won. Its not rocket science....yet some can't bring themselves to look in the mirror as to justify why TRUMP made history and kicked know it all ASS.

And anyone should pay attention or give a rat's ass concerning anything that you have to say? Why? You were so spot on in the run up to the election. Your words of wisdom were profoundly correct. Laugh My Proverbial Ass Off

The winners never kiss the ass of the losers....with a big L. Time to grow up sport...welcome to the real world where you don't always get what you want.............I know, I know...you thought you wrong one time in your life...but it turns out, YOU WERE MERELY MISTAKEN:good4u:

 
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I know what he was talking about, but how do you topple ISIS without intervening?

in·ter·ven·tion·ist
ˌin(t)ərˈven(t)SH(ə)nəst/
adjective

  • 1.
    favoring intervention, especially by a government in its domestic economy or by one country in the affairs of another.




noun

  • 1.
    a person who favors government intervention.








Our taking ISIS out would involve our intervening in the affairs of another country, so how will he accomplish his goal of defeating ISIS without intervention?

ISIS isn't a country, contrary to what they'd like to think.

By 'non-intervention' Trump is rejecting regime change. I don't know how else to explain it.

Again, is that a bad thing? Or is it bad because it's Trump's idea?
 
"ISIS isn't a country, contrary to what they'd like to think." DO #148

a) I'm inclined to agree.

BUT !!

b) It depends upon how we define that.

The U.N. might agree with you and me.

BUT !!

- They've got a criminal justice system.
- They've got a military.
- They've got garbage collection.
- They've got an impressive, very sophisticated recruitment presence on the Internet.

So we're smack up against Sorites Paradox here.
How many hairs must a man be missing to be considered bald?
If 5,000 hairs is a full head of hair, is a dude with 4,999 hairs on his head bald?
How about 4,998?
Or 4,997?
How many hairs must a man be missing to be bald?

What are the criteria of being a State?
ISIL has declared itself a State.
It's a more persuasive claim than if you made it.

Again, I agree with you.
BUT our amateur opinion isn't necessarily binding on them.

state (stât) noun
Abbr. st.
1.A condition or mode of being, as with regard to circumstances: a state of confusion.
2.A condition of being in a stage or form, as of structure, growth, or development: the fetal state.
3.A mental or emotional condition: in a manic state.
4.Informal. A condition of excitement or distress.
5.Physics. The condition of a physical system with regard to phase, form, composition, or structure: Ice is the solid state of water.
6.Social position or rank.
7.Ceremony; pomp: foreign leaders dining in state at the White House.
8.a. The supreme public power within a sovereign political entity. b. The sphere of supreme civil power within a given polity: matters of state.
9.A specific mode of government: the socialist state.
10.A body politic, especially one constituting a nation: the states of Eastern Europe.
11.One of the more or less internally autonomous territorial and political units composing a federation under a sovereign government: the 48 contiguous states of the Union.

adjective
1.Of or relating to a body politic or to an internally autonomous territorial or political unit constituting a federation under one government: a monarch dealing with state matters; the department that handles state security.
2.Owned and operated by a state: state universities.

verb, transitive
stated, stating, states
To set forth in words; declare.

[Middle English, from Old French estat, from Latin status.]

Synonyms: state, condition, situation, status. These nouns denote the mode of being or form of existence of a person or thing. State and condition, the most general, are largely interchangeable: a state (or condition) of disrepair; a healthy state (or condition). "Every body continues in its state of rest . . . unless it is compelled to change that state by forces impressed upon it" (Isaac Newton). "The condition of man . . . is a condition of war of everyone against everyone" (Thomas Hobbes). Situation more narrowly refers to a state or condition at a particular time as determined by a combination of circumstances: "Eternal truths will be neither true nor eternal unless they have fresh meaning for every new social situation" (Franklin D. Roosevelt). Status usually applies to a person or thing considered in relation to others of the same class. With reference to persons it implies relative standing; with respect to things it is roughly equivalent to state or situation: "Mr. Polly's status was that of a guest pure and simple" (H.G. Wells). What is the current status of the arms-reduction negotiations?

Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.
 
"ISIS isn't a country, contrary to what they'd like to think." DO #148

a) I'm inclined to agree.

BUT !!

b) It depends upon how we define that.

The U.N. might agree with you and me.

BUT !!

- They've got a criminal justice system.
- They've got a military.
- They've got garbage collection.
- They've got an impressive, very sophisticated recruitment presence on the Internet.

So we're smack up against Sorites Paradox here.
How many hairs must a man be missing to be considered bald?
If 5,000 hairs is a full head of hair, is a dude with 4,999 hairs on his head bald?
How about 4,998?
Or 4,997?
How many hairs must a man be missing to be bald?

What are the criteria of being a State?
ISIL has declared itself a State.
It's a more persuasive claim than if you made it.

Again, I agree with you.
BUT our amateur opinion isn't necessarily binding on them.

state (stât) noun
Abbr. st.
1.A condition or mode of being, as with regard to circumstances: a state of confusion.
2.A condition of being in a stage or form, as of structure, growth, or development: the fetal state.
3.A mental or emotional condition: in a manic state.
4.Informal. A condition of excitement or distress.
5.Physics. The condition of a physical system with regard to phase, form, composition, or structure: Ice is the solid state of water.
6.Social position or rank.
7.Ceremony; pomp: foreign leaders dining in state at the White House.
8.a. The supreme public power within a sovereign political entity. b. The sphere of supreme civil power within a given polity: matters of state.
9.A specific mode of government: the socialist state.
10.A body politic, especially one constituting a nation: the states of Eastern Europe.
11.One of the more or less internally autonomous territorial and political units composing a federation under a sovereign government: the 48 contiguous states of the Union.

adjective
1.Of or relating to a body politic or to an internally autonomous territorial or political unit constituting a federation under one government: a monarch dealing with state matters; the department that handles state security.
2.Owned and operated by a state: state universities.

verb, transitive
stated, stating, states
To set forth in words; declare.

[Middle English, from Old French estat, from Latin status.]

Synonyms: state, condition, situation, status. These nouns denote the mode of being or form of existence of a person or thing. State and condition, the most general, are largely interchangeable: a state (or condition) of disrepair; a healthy state (or condition). "Every body continues in its state of rest . . . unless it is compelled to change that state by forces impressed upon it" (Isaac Newton). "The condition of man . . . is a condition of war of everyone against everyone" (Thomas Hobbes). Situation more narrowly refers to a state or condition at a particular time as determined by a combination of circumstances: "Eternal truths will be neither true nor eternal unless they have fresh meaning for every new social situation" (Franklin D. Roosevelt). Status usually applies to a person or thing considered in relation to others of the same class. With reference to persons it implies relative standing; with respect to things it is roughly equivalent to state or situation: "Mr. Polly's status was that of a guest pure and simple" (H.G. Wells). What is the current status of the arms-reduction negotiations?

Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.
ISIS is occupying other sovereign nations territory and in order to "defeat" them we have to have the agreement and cooperation from those sovereign nations.

You can not just waltz in with your troops, drones or aircraft intervening in other sovereign nations affairs. Trump seems to give the impression that he will do this.
 
ISIS isn't a country, contrary to what they'd like to think.

By 'non-intervention' Trump is rejecting regime change. I don't know how else to explain it.

Again, is that a bad thing? Or is it bad because it's Trump's idea?
Yes, dense one, I know they aren't a country, but even without regime change he can't just waltz in and defeat ISIS without the cooperation and approval of the nation ISIS is occupying.
 
"I know they aren't a country, but even without regime change he can't just waltz in and defeat ISIS without the cooperation and approval of the nation ISIS is occupying." #151

In conjunction w/ Balfour, Jews started occupying Palestinian lands.

In conjunction with "Manifest Destiny", and Jefferson's Louisiana Purchase, European immigrants started occupying aboriginal American lands.

At what point is the legitimacy you seem to believe in obtained?

What's the criterion?

- Elapsed Time?
- Population ratio?
- Methodology? [meaning starvation of the conquered rather than battlefield bloodshed?]

Enlighten us.
 
US has 5000 Special Forces on the ground now in Iraq/Syria. The other day they operated independent of Kurds forces to go after an ISIS leadership guy. The rest of the times they operate ( embed) into existing forces in Iraq/Syria.
So was that "interventionism" - the independent ops? -no

Interventionism implies regime change. Either in a Civil War like Libya, or invasion like Iraq.
Libya had no US "boots" -but it was still intervening in their civil war to effect regime change
(another reason not to listen to the revisionists who now say "we should have rebuilt Libya" -we never had the boots to do so)

Obama just called it "kinetic military action" as a way to avoid the War Powers act -but it was clearly interventionism-
so much so we assassinated Qadaffi.

Syrian meddling under Obama -where Hillary was trying to effect regime change ( her "Friends of Syria" initiative)
was also interventionism. But since we weren't doing it ourselves ( we were trying to get the regional actors to do it)
I'd simply call it "meddling" in another nation -but it did fit the category of "regime change" with the "Assad must go" mantra

Like a lot of war terms they can overlap, but that's the separate concepts at least.
 
Yes, dense one, I know they aren't a country, but even without regime change he can't just waltz in and defeat ISIS without the cooperation and approval of the nation ISIS is occupying.

Ok, let's try this lol.

'Interventionism' as the term is currently used, is toppling governments and/or killing dictators. Ostensibly, to spread democracy.

Trump is basically saying, screw that. Again, why aren't liberals cheering?

Obviously, it would be impossible to do anything about ISIS if 'non-intervention' precluded having ground or air forces on another nations territory.
 
So...there are no moral college grads? And you wonder why Trump got elected...snowflake? There were 60 million immoral deporables that voted for Trump. LAMO Trump never won.....the demwits lost. Trump was just the messenger for change...the only messenger who ran on a platform for change. The people where simply tired of pussy politicians and snowflakes running the nation. Anyone with a set of nads could have ran in Trumps place and won. Its not rocket science....yet some can't bring themselves to look in the mirror as to justify why TRUMP made history and kicked know it all ASS.

And anyone should pay attention or give a rat's ass concerning anything that you have to say? Why? You were so spot on in the run up to the election. Your words of wisdom were profoundly correct. Laugh My Proverbial Ass Off

The winners never kiss the ass of the losers....with a big L. Time to grow up sport...welcome to the real world where you don't always get what you want.............I know, I know...you thought you wrong one time in your life...but it turns out, YOU WERE MERELY MISTAKEN:good4u:


The thing that people want to ignore is that the GOP nominated Douchebag Donald. There was no Crooked Hillary looming to extort votes for him the way there was in November. Anyone who caucused for him in the primary is a deplorable person, with zero redeeming qualities.
 
The thing that people want to ignore is that the GOP nominated Douchebag Donald. There was no Crooked Hillary looming to extort votes for him the way there was in November. Anyone who caucused for him in the primary is a deplorable person, with zero redeeming qualities.
so caucusing is different for voting in the general? which Repub did you like?
Rubio is a neo-con/Jeb Bush wasn't up to it..non of them thrilled me..

I went for Bernie in the primary being a registered Dem,and would have gone for him in the general too.
But the Dems put up a corrupted/warmongering/corporatist/big donor/serial liar -who can vote for that???

So screw it..try something different. My point is that ALL sucked -and all things being considered, try somebody out of politics.
He's got some good idea on regulations/tax reform/immigration/federalism..see how it goes
 
ISIS is occupying other sovereign nations territory and in order to "defeat" them we have to have the agreement and cooperation from those sovereign nations.

You can not just waltz in with your troops, drones or aircraft intervening in other sovereign nations affairs. Trump seems to give the impression that he will do this.

Actually that's the impression YOU are trying to give....I haven't seen Trump say that anywhere...
 
Actually that's the impression YOU are trying to give....I haven't seen Trump say that anywhere...

Well he did claim we should just waltz into Iraq and take their oil as the spoils of war.

And then there's this, from the liberal mouthpiece Townhall.com:

Trump has often questioned why the United States feels the need to tell the world it's military strategies.

"They think a lot of the ISIS leaders are in Mosul. We have announcements coming out of Washington and coming out of Iraq: "We will be attacking Mosul in three weeks or four weeks."

All of these bad leaders from ISIS are leaving Mosul," Trump said. "Why can't they do it quietly? Why can't they make it a sneak attack? And after the attack is made, inform the American public that we've knocked out their leaders."
 
Well he did claim we should just waltz into Iraq and take their oil as the spoils of war.

And then there's this, from the liberal mouthpiece Townhall.com:

Trump has often questioned why the United States feels the need to tell the world it's military strategies.

"They think a lot of the ISIS leaders are in Mosul. We have announcements coming out of Washington and coming out of Iraq: "We will be attacking Mosul in three weeks or four weeks."

All of these bad leaders from ISIS are leaving Mosul," Trump said. "Why can't they do it quietly? Why can't they make it a sneak attack? And after the attack is made, inform the American public that we've knocked out their leaders."

??....are you arguing he needs the permission of ISIS?.....
 
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