U.S. Considers Faster Pullout in Afghanistan

Darla said:
Really Howey you have some very disturbing views on the people who live in Arab countries. Nuke them? Really?
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Normally I ignore your ignorant outpourings but this is beyond stupid even for you. So listen up, I will only say this once!! Afghanistan is not an Arab country.
 
Rana said:
Tell me, which recent war has been worth the cost?
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Well, and I'm going to play devils advocate here, it depends on what you think we gain. If you look at the short term, then obviously we've gained nothing. But if you look at long term, and believe (as I do) that the two wars either started out of whole cloth or sped up the process of the Arab Spring, then yes the cost MAY have been worth it. Long term regional stability and the global economy is much better served by a democratic ME. Of course there is no guarantee in any of this, so it most certainly is a gamble.
 
Kel-Tec PMR-30 said:
Well, and I'm going to play devils advocate here, it depends on what you think we gain. If you look at the short term, then obviously we've gained nothing. But if you look at long term, and believe (as I do) that the two wars either started out of whole cloth or sped up the process of the Arab Spring, then yes the cost MAY have been worth it. Long term regional stability and the global economy is much better served by a democratic ME. Of course there is no guarantee in any of this, so it most certainly is a gamble.
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If the Arab Spring brings Democracy, but I feel the Arab Spring would have happened regardless, so I do not feel the cost of Iraq was worth it.
 
Kel-Tec PMR-30 said:
Well, and I'm going to play devils advocate here, it depends on what you think we gain. If you look at the short term, then obviously we've gained nothing. But if you look at long term, and believe (as I do) that the two wars either started out of whole cloth or sped up the process of the Arab Spring, then yes the cost MAY have been worth it. Long term regional stability and the global economy is much better served by a democratic ME. Of course there is no guarantee in any of this, so it most certainly is a gamble.
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Well, Arab Spring has already suffered it's first casualty in Egypt. I honestly, and I expect to take some flack for this, don't believe that democracy can work in the fundamentalist Muslim world. If you read political philosophy, the Protestant reformation was the precursor to democratic forms of government. Without it the process, likely, would have been slower.
 
Socrtease said:
Well, Arab Spring has already suffered it's first casualty in Egypt. I honestly, and I expect to take some flack for this, don't believe that democracy can work in the fundamentalist Muslim world. If you read political philosophy, the Protestant reformation was the precursor to democratic forms of government. Without it the process, likely, would have been slower.
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Perhaps, I don't know how it will all play out. Like I've said for years, this is all just a theory.
 
Socrtease said:
Well, Arab Spring has already suffered it's first casualty in Egypt. I honestly, and I expect to take some flack for this, don't believe that democracy can work in the fundamentalist Muslim world. If you read political philosophy, the Protestant reformation was the precursor to democratic forms of government. Without it the process, likely, would have been slower.
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You get no flack from me because I do believe that the fundamentalist hold them back.
I don't think anyone will argue your reasonable point, it is just when people paint all Muslims as fundamentalist that bothers me.

I think fundamentalist in this country hold us back. ;)
 
I know this is a very serious topic, but I swear - when I see in the list about "faster pullout" my mind just goes in a very different direction than military...

I do think that after we ousted the Taliban, the only thing we should have done in Afghanistan is go and get bin Laden.

We need to get out of there. I don't know the timing, but sooner is better in my opinion.

I feel very sorry for the Afghanistan people - at least those who aren't warlords and terrorists. But we don't seem to be helping them and, ultimately, it's their country; we can't save it for them, sad to say.
 
ps - I personally would be happy to offer all the women and children of Afghanistan a place here in the US - for those who want it - far away from the male religious zealots that control their lives there. But doubt I could get support for that from congress.
 
tekkychick said:
ps - I personally would be happy to offer all the women and children of Afghanistan a place here in the US - for those who want it - far away from the male religious zealots that control their lives there. But doubt I could get support for that from congress.
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Are you kidding?????

We don't have no room for dem dere messicans and towelheads!
 
tekkychick said:
I know this is a very serious topic, but I swear - when I see in the list about "faster pullout" my mind just goes in a very different direction than military...
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Don't feel bad, tekky. I had visions of generic conservative's wife's thoughts in bed hoping for a quick pullout with no foreplay, of course. I'm confident it was very quick, IYKWIM.
 
Howey said:
Don't feel bad, tekky. I had visions of generic conservative's wife's thoughts in bed hoping for a quick pullout with no foreplay, of course. I'm confident it was very quick, IYKWIM.
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OHHH the images in my mind! glad I wasn't the only one!
 
tekkychick said:
ps - I personally would be happy to offer all the women and children of Afghanistan a place here in the US - for those who want it - far away from the male religious zealots that control their lives there. But doubt I could get support for that from congress.
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You will be able to see for yourself what happens to the women of Afghanistan when the military pulls out, hope you will be happy.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
You will be able to see for yourself what happens to the women of Afghanistan when the military pulls out, hope you will be happy.
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It's happening right now, while we're there. We aren't there to help the women. Oh, we (meaning policy makers) don't mind if we happen to help them along the way. But women and children were discarded once it was no longer convenient to support them. Look at the school children getting killed. It's horrible.

I wasn't happy with how they were treated before we invaded; not happy with what's happening now; won't be happy in the future.

But us being there won't help. Us pulling every woman and child out of there might help. But it's not going to happen.

The women will suffer as they have always suffered. And it sucks. But don't pretend you want to help them because you don't.
 
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